Transfer Rumours

**pineapple stu** · 12/12/2008, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

its about spending money on player thats untested even in a league who's last 3 high profile exports haven't earned their transfer fee (McCourt, O'Donovan, Mooney)

That is true alright. People can get very uppity about how much LoI players are worth. We got E60k for Dicker and were glad of it; he's now regular enough as they push for the Division Two play offs.

Originally Posted by BrayUnknowns

Ah i think Derry are solid enough

That most certainly is not true though. Although with the sale of McGinn and McCourt, they've probably covered their losses for the year?

**BrayUnknowns** · 12/12/2008, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

That is true alright. People can get very uppity about how much LoI players are worth. We got E60k for Dicker and were glad of it; he's now regular enough as they push for the Division Two play offs.

Dicker is a super player and worth more than what you got for him. To say your glad you got what you got for him shows why UCD are now a 1st division side IMO. Do you think if Dicker had of been playing in the UK and a League 2 or League 1 side were looking to buy him they would have got him so cheap ?

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

That most certainly is not true though. Although with the sale of McGinn and McCourt, they've probably covered their losses for the year?

As i said, Derry are probably in a better position than most Irish clubs, i dint say they were clear of debt or anything of the sort.

**pineapple stu** · 12/12/2008, 12:11 PM

Dicker was rejected by Birmingham and then signed by a Division Three side, who typically don't give out big money transfers. Even then, they only toko a risk on him partly because Jim Gannon knows the LoI.

There are clubs worse off than Derry, but I don't think it's most of them.

I stand by both my comments.

Edit - also, the reason we're in Division One now is more because clubs like Bray and Cobh, who would be our nearest rivals usually (in terms of league placing) gave contracts to players they still can't honour than because of what we got for Dicker.

**Dodge** · 12/12/2008, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by BrayUnknowns

Dicker is a super player and worth more than what you got for him. To say your glad you got what you got for him shows why UCD are now a 1st division side IMO. Do you think if Dicker had of been playing in the UK and a League 2 or League 1 side were looking to buy him they would have got him so cheap ?

But he wasn't. He was playing for a team battling relegation in the league of Ireland. I'm not knocking the lad, but Stockport are never going to spend �200,000 on a player form UCD.

The player is only worth what a club is willing to spend on him. He may be better than players who are sold for millions but if no one is willing to buy him, his transfer value is zerio

**Krstic** · 12/12/2008, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Beggars can't be choosers and all that.

Niall has two years left on his contract, so we would be happy for him to stay at Derry City

Derry City chairman Pat McDaid

Stu I know you love continually commenting on Derry's financial situation, however our chairman has said, and Ihave heard this with my own ears, that if the right offer comes in we will sell McGinn, however we don't have to sell him.

**pineapple stu** · 12/12/2008, 12:47 PM

I've heard people say things before.

You don't expect him to say in the media (where I assume you got that quote from) that Derry are broke and will take the first vaguely decent offer that comes in?

**Krstic** · 12/12/2008, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

I've heard people say things before.

You don't expect him to say in the media (where I assume you got that quote from) that Derry are broke and will take the first vaguely decent offer that comes in?

AGM last week, �80,000 loss for previous Financial year.

**pineapple stu** · 12/12/2008, 12:57 PM

I'm aware of that. But it's irrelevant. 2008's the important one. That's when you started running into problems.

**passinginterest** · 12/12/2008, 12:59 PM

Birmingham and Celtic now being reported by Sky Sports as battling it out for his signature. http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11688_4631551,00.html

Birmingham seem intent on giving a trial to or signing at least half the players in the league at this stage.

**Krstic** · 12/12/2008, 1:07 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

I'm aware of that. But it's irrelevant. 2008's the important one. That's when you started running into problems.

I'm led to believe a similar loss is predicted (not including possible transfer of McGinn).

Certainly not the Doom & Gloom you regularly preach.

**pineapple stu** · 12/12/2008, 1:10 PM

I'm led to believe otherwise.

Best case, with cumulative losses of �160k over two years, and a recession on meaning people are looking for cash quickly, you're not really in a position to hold out for another few grand.

**HarpoJoyce** · 12/12/2008, 1:10 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Dicker was rejected by Birmingham and then signed by a Division Three side, who typically don't give out big money transfers. Even then, they only toko a risk on him partly because Jim Gannon knows the LoI.

There are clubs worse off than Derry, but I don't think it's most of them.

I stand by both my comments.

.......

Signed by a Fourth tier (League Two) side. Better quit while you're near BEP.

You have a problem. You squeal when organisations are not transparent and then you squeal when they provide information in a public forum (I don't mean this site, I mean a real venue.)

When you return start calling Divisions by there true title, it aids clarity.

**pineapple stu** · 12/12/2008, 1:13 PM

That was one of the more pointless posts in the history of the internet.

**HarpoJoyce** · 12/12/2008, 1:13 PM

Originally Posted by passinginterest

Birmingham and Celtic now being reported by Sky Sports as battling it out for his signature. http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11688_4631551,00.html

Birmingham seem intent on giving a trial to or signing at least half the players in the league at this stage.

Didn't Derry City allow Glasgow Celtic to Guzump West Bromich Albion for Paddy McCourt contract? There's no reason Derry won't follow the same successful route.

**BrayUnknowns** · 12/12/2008, 1:31 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Dicker was rejected by Birmingham and then signed by a Division Three side, who typically don't give out big money transfers. Even then, they only toko a risk on him partly because Jim Gannon knows the LoI..

So in other words, Jim Gannon knew what he was doing getting Dicker on the cheap.

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

There are clubs worse off than Derry, but I don't think it's most of them...

I would think the only clubs who would be in a better position at present are Pats and Rovers. Certianly nobody else in the Premier anyway. So in my mind that would be most clubs.

I stand by both my comments.

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Edit - also, the reason we're in Division One now is more because clubs like Bray and Cobh, who would be our nearest rivals usually (in terms of league placing) gave contracts to players they still can't honour than because of what we got for Dicker.

How do you make that one out? So 2 of Bray's biggest financial backrers pull out half way through the season meant UCD finished bottom of the table? The pay cut that Bray asked the players to take was with 3 games to go, we were safe at that stage and back wages have been paid. We finish a rather big 18 points ahead of you with a slightly better goal difference, how would asking our players to take a pay cut for the final 3 games of the season have an effect on UCD getting relegated ?

**brianw82** · 12/12/2008, 1:32 PM

Can people please stop bickering in this thread?

This thread is for Transfer Rumours? Not arguing about how UCD finished bottom!

**pineapple stu** · 12/12/2008, 1:39 PM

Originally Posted by BrayUnknowns

So in other words, Jim Gannon knew what he was doing getting Dicker on the cheap.

I don't think Dicker has done E200k of work for Stockport yet, even after they've been promoted. To suggest otherwise is ludicrous.

I would think the only clubs who would be in a better position at present are Pats and Rovers.

Complete nonsense, I'm afraid.

How do you make that one out?

We had backers pull out mid-season too; we still paid all wages.

UCD offer a player E300 which they know they can pay; Bray or Cobh or Harps (it's a cumulative thing; not picking on Bray) offer E500 which they can't pay. Which is the player, being stupid, going to take? Can you then see how Club A signing players over Club B is going to affect Club B? Or more to the point, how it's going to have more effect than trying to squeeze another E100k out of a Third Division team who simply aren't going to pay it?