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    Quote Originally Posted by Qwerty View Post
    Mind boggling. The Stepehen Ireland fiasco wasn't really a huge surprise but Joey O'Brien!! unless he was asked leading questions and it was a set up job by the journo. But if it's true then it is a disgrace when players like McGeady & McCarthy will have to put with abuse in every domestic game for their decision to play for Ireland. I think I am going to shift codes completely to rugby, if the players don't why should we??
    and if u quit supporting irish football because of scenarios like this , then u are just as fragile to the irish cause as they are

    u are better off supporting rugby if thats ur attitude....no loss
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    Quote Originally Posted by shanekerins View Post
    And as for 'Irish football fans should support Irish teams', with the greatest respect - who the f*ck are you to tell people who they can and can't support? This isn't the Beijing Olympics, nobody has the right to demand a person cheer for any particular team.
    You're so right. I agree 100%, and I'll be supporting Italy when they come to Croker
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark12345 View Post

    What's your take on all the North Africans playing for France - would they have won the World Cup and Euro 2000 without the likes of Gallas, Vieira, Henry, Trezeguet etc? What about England and all the Carribean players they have had over the years? Mehmet Scholl for Germany, Platini for France instead of Italy. There have been many many examples through the years of players playing (or not playing) for the land of their parents - think of all those we lost to England.
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    I want cases of evidence not unsubstantiated hearssay!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian1890 View Post
    Its more than the granny rule tbh.

    Qatar have something like 4 South Americans playing for them and a few Africans who have no family connections with them,Japan have one(Alex).Spain have Senna. The reason behind this is when you spend X amount of years resident in a country (time depends on country in question and varies between 5 and 10 years for most) you can apply for citizenship of that country.

    For example Arsenal keeper Almunia and Cudicini of Chelsea could apply for English citizenship and passport next year and possibly be selected for England. This is the National Law of the countries in question and nothing to do with football. It would go against the Court of Human Rights to deny those players to play for 'their' new country as they hold a passport for that country.


    Stephen Reid played for England?????? WHEN and at what age? ,didn't get picked for a bit then decided well ill play for Ireland,IMO players like that should not be allowed to just switch. They cannot switch if they have played for senior team but you can switch until your 21st birthday (provided no senior cap) - FIFA Rules

    Another reason you highlighted above,Jack Charlton gave leaflets to certain Irish players and asked them to stick it on the back of the dressing room door.

    Never heard that story being quoted anywhere, by anyone, former player/coach or any player that saw such a leafelt.

    Quote names and places where read and players who took up any offer from these apparent leaflets rather than making stuff up.

    From reading many books about the era from different people at the time (Aldridge, Bonner, Cascarino, McGrath and Charlton himself) What he (Jack C) did do is ask players to find out of any lads at their clubs that had Irish heritage. EG went to see John Aldridge at Oxford and Aldridge said he would play for Irleand and then asked what about Ray Houghton he is Irish...next thing Ray said he would be delighted with a call up and he got one.


    It went along the lines of"do you have an Irish granny,would you like to play for Ireland"that is how he found a couple of players

    Just a few reasons of why it has become a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustavo View Post
    Gallas and Henry were born and bred in Paris
    'Born and bred'? What exactly does that mean?
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    Originally Posted by shanekerins View Post
    And as for 'Irish football fans should support Irish teams', with the greatest respect - who the f*ck are you to tell people who they can and can't support? .
    Alright, now I can stand in the Cussack Stand and shout "Forza Italia!" for 90 odd minutes without a hint of irony. You have made me see that supporting a team based on your country or community is silly unless they are some premiership side. So applying that Oirish Soccer Fan mentality to it's ultimate logical conclusion I will be supporting Italy at Croker and not that second rate rubbish.

    What's the point in supporting second rate teams just because they are Irish...right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohemian1890 View Post
    No that happened when the Granny rule came in.
    I suppose I should stop going to Ireland games as I wasn't dropped on Irish soil. Another t'ick tw*t that missed out the history lesson on emigration.
    This is the cooooooooooooolest footy forum I've ever seen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boh_So_Good View Post
    Alright, now I can stand in the Cussack Stand and shout "Forza Italia!" for 90 odd minutes without a hint of irony. You have made me see that supporting a team based on your country or community is silly unless they are some premiership side. So applying that Oirish Soccer Fan mentality to it's ultimate logical conclusion I will be supporting Italy at Croker and not that second rate rubbish.

    What's the point in supporting second rate teams just because they are Irish...right?
    great post BSG. Bet you dont get one decent reply.

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    Back to the original point of the thread: O’Brien should just knuckle down and get on with it. I can understand that he was frustrated at being overlooked in favour of Gibson. In my opinion, given our scarce resources in CM, he was the most obvious candidate to replace S. Reid, especially as Trap cited height as a factor. He’s a useful squad player to have because of his versatility but on the basis of what I’ve seen Garvan and O’Toole excite me far more as a midfield prospect. With these two coming through and Kevin Foley as right back O’Brien may not even be in the squad on merit soon anyway.

    Some good man management is required in these situations. Brady should have a word with him.

    I took offence to the “sitting in the stands like a fan” remark, thinking it was patronising.

    I know Dean Kiely has retired himself once but contrast recent remarks about working with Trap and the potential to learn from him even at 37 was just too much to turn down, with O’Brien’s petulant rant.

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    On the Granny Rule being the herald of international mockery:
    Alfredo Di Stefano - see point 2.
    Irish Footballers
    It wasn't a mockery then. What has made it a mockery now are a hunsdred small little things over the years:
    Things like certain clubs behaving like they are bigger than their FAs, and the FAs of other countries, and advising players which country they should declare (e.g. Kevin Gallen), or regularly announcing players are unfit, when two or three days later they can play without any difficulty in the clubs next game;
    Things like players being told they are gods, and paid accordingly;
    Things like it being quite easy to earn 100 caps without ever reaching a World Cup or Continental Cup finals;
    Things like football being a way of becoming an endorsement specialist and shagging galmour models, rather than something you do because it is in your heart.

    Looking back at people like Paddy Mulligan or Dave Langan, or many others, they didn't earn shedloads and did it because they loved it, for club and for country. Dave Langan has had many difficulties in the recent past, while Paddy Mulligan is a security guard now - I do not think that the likes of Joey O'Brien forsees that as his future at the age of 60 odd, and I would not class him in the same calibre of Mr. Mulligan or Mr Langan. Granted he is only young, but even so. As far as I am concerned, Joey O'Brien, like a number before him, fails to concern me any more.

    What does concern me is that in five years' time we'll have a whole brigade announcing that the current management regime are muppets for failing to bring back poor put-upon Joey and Stephen, and that they should all be sacked. Football fans memories seem to be no more than a season or two long - the absence our little pre-Maradonas will be seen to be the reason we have failed to be at least one notch higher than we are, and the push to bring them back will mask any longer term real inadequacies in either the playing squad or the way that football in Ireland has been run for a number of years.
    That question was less stupid, though you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.

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    here here oh blue one. great post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John83 View Post
    I'm sure there's a statto about could pull up the details.
    I'm even surer Bohemian1890 should do it, seeing as how he said it
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    I'm even surer Bohemian1890 should do it, seeing as how he said it
    Of course he should provide additional detail related to a statement he made on a forum which has been confirmed by several other people. It's, like, a law, innit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lopez View Post
    'Born and bred'? What exactly does that mean?
    It's is a saying , It means they were born and grew up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boh_So_Good View Post
    Alright, now I can stand in the Cussack Stand and shout "Forza Italia!" for 90 odd minutes without a hint of irony. You have made me see that supporting a team based on your country or community is silly unless they are some premiership side (Where did I say that?). So applying that Oirish Soccer Fan mentality to it's ultimate logical conclusion I will be supporting Italy at Croker and not that second rate rubbish.

    What's the point in supporting second rate teams just because they are Irish...right?(Again, I didn't say that).
    Just wrote a lengthy and thorough response to this, and then deleted it because you're a waste of time. If you think supporting a LOI team makes you a better Ireland fan than me (someone who has spent the vast majority of his life outside of Ireland, but doesn't support a foreign team), good for you. If you think it gives you the right to tell people who they can and can't support 'full stop', more power to you. I'd rather have this discussion with someone with a more balanced and less patronising way of thinking, and thats the end of it as far as my contribution is concerned. Feel free to misquote me to your hearts content.

    Anyway, if O'Brien has been accurately quoted, he should be left of of the squad until a full public apology is issued. Time for Trap to send a message, that he is the boss and if you don't like his way of thinking then get your head down, work hard and force your way into the side, or else you won't be considered. Prima donna footballers **** me off!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustavo View Post
    It's is a saying , It means they were born and grew up there.
    Yes I know what it supposed to mean, although it seems to emphasize conception and birth, rather than the growing up bit. But what makes Viera and Desailly less French because they weren't born there, than two other players whose parents are African? (I'll leave Henry and some of the others as they're from French possessions in the West Indies, and therefore, even the official line of the FN and Jean Marie Le Pen, is that they're French) They played for France and captained France, yet they are both (along with Trezeguet) from countries that weren't even former French colonies.

    And growing up in France. What difference did that make to their identity? Yeah, I'm sure soon as they arrived they took an instant love of snails, frogs legs, and Maurice Chevalier films. I don't think it's wrong to question how actually 'French' these people are (even if it is perhaps often racist) when the same question is asked of how 'Irish' someone is who has two Irish parents, but happened to be born outside Ireland (and that is what the 'granny rule' includes).

    One more point: But who the f*ck is this Joey O'Brien?
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    Shane, it was obvious what you said that they misquoted you, they took something completely out of context and made it into a "EL" bashing response, don't worry, most of you us knew what you meant

    Lopez he is a good friend of the dub Gartside who plays for Bolton and is a bit arrogant like his fellow peers.
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    You can't always trust how these player interview things are slanted. Although O'Brien was quoted publicly on RTE, I would be okay with if he grew up a bit and sorted it out with Trap etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul_oshea View Post
    Shane, it was obvious what you said that they misquoted you, they took something completely out of context and made it into a "EL" bashing response, don't worry, most of you us knew what you meant
    Cheers Paul, I'll get that tenner to you later

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    Why cant we all just get along ????

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