ireland are s***e

[thecorner]

Originally posted by Peat Burns
can we trust kerr with the wc qualifiers???

answer= [SIZE=50]NO[/SIZE]

[Lionel Hutz]

Originally posted by Peat Burns
can we trust kerr with the wc qualifiers???

Personally Id leave him in charge for the next few friendlies to see if he can get things right, think he deserves that!

BUT if theres not major improvement then punt him before the world cup qualifiers!

As Iv said earlier, for me Ireland had no fight last night and didnt pressure the opposition when they had the ball allowing them time and space to play through us, that is down to tactics and motivation, both of which are the responsibility of managment......

[tricky_colour]

Ireland coped in the World Cup Finals without Roy Keane
but losing Staunton and Quinn, particularly Quinn left the
team seriously weakend, its hard to lose a class player from
defence, midfield and attack and still get results.
As for Kerr, playing two out and out wingers with two
small guys up front seems a little pointless. It makes playing
Harte a little pointless too.
When Morrison was brought on Duff was given a free role
apparently, so now you have a big man to put crosses into
you have one less winger (the best crosser of the ball) to do
the crossing.
Without a big man up front to target, you allow the opposition defense to push forward, putting pressure on your goal.
I also think we tend to over rely on Duff to find a opening, who of course will be heavily marked, we need to find a way to utilise Duff to create space for other to exploit.
Anyway hindsight is a wonderful thing. But we have a long way to
go if we expect to qualify for the next World Cup. Remember this
is a group we were seeded in and expected top.
It will be interesting to see how Russia and the Swiss perform
in Euro 2004. If they don't get past the group stages we looked
doomed.

[pete]

I hope some of the comments above were in the heat of the moment.

Can't believe people want to dump half the squad (replaced with who???) & replace the manager again.



btw qaulification was lost in them last 10mins of Ireland v Switzerland.

[Pogsly]

Originally posted by Lionel Hutz
Personally Id leave him in charge for the next few friendlies to see if he can get things right, think he deserves that!

BUT if theres not major improvement then punt him before the world cup qualifiers!......

I can understand a lot people being angry after the performance on Sat but there has been some unbelievable sh*te posted on this forum by ppl who I considered to be fairly broad minded. Brian Kerr is the man for the job for this reason as much as any other: He is the ONLY man for the job . There have been some posts stating that Ireland didn't possess enough vision and are too content on having the craic etc. THIS IS THE IMAGE PORTRAYED BY MANAGERS WHO ARE NOT IN TOUCH WITH THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE IRISH PUBLIC AS THE LAST TWO "GREAT" MANAGERS WE HAD WERE BASED IN BLOODY ENGERLAND .
The comments Mr Kerr made after the match were very appropriate as he called it as it was. The team did not perform, and yes there was no heart in the performance . However to critcise the team he picked is downright disgraceful . With the excepion of Steve Finnan replacing Harte there is not one logical change that could be made. If Duff was plyed on the left the large gaps that appeared on Steve Carr's flank would have appeared on Harte's side too . Everyone is entitled to their opinion but personally I would prefer Brian Kerr as manager than Peter"I'm a Scouse *******"Reid or Phillipe Troussier . People can take their heads out of their ar*es and get a dose of reality . Brian Kerr has said he will make changes to the squad . The old reliables (Yeah right) like Holland and Kinsella should be discarded .Hiw can Matt Holland know what it means to wear the Green of Ireland when he can stand in Wembley belting out God save the Queen at the Play-offs. He's about as Irish as Feng-Shui

[patsh]

Originally posted by Pogsly
The old reliables (Yeah right) like Holland and Kinsella should be discarded .Hiw can Matt Holland know what it means to wear the Green of Ireland when he can stand in Wembley belting out God save the Queen at the Play-offs. He's about as Irish as Feng-Shui

Well surely it doesn't matter what anthem Holland can sing, but it is time he went. He seems to be pining for "Row Z" and his heart isn't in it since the pr*ck got the boot after game 2.
Kinsella, Carsley, Holland and Connolly should all be retired if they don't want to go themselves, given a big thank you for all they have done*, but it's time to move on from them now.

(*except for Carsley, who never did anything except show up, give away the odd penalty and get the money)

[Beavis]

I'd agree with Pete and Pogsly.Things didn't work out as we'd have hoped but now everyone is on abusing players who have given irish football great moments in the last decade or so.We need Kerr.He's an irish man bred in our league and understands Ireland more than his recent predeccesors.One loss in six is not a bad record.Give him the world cup and I have no doubt he'll prove his worth.Saturday was frustrating,they gave us little to cheer about but maybe those of you lucky enough to pick up handy face value tickets could have done more for the team?We sang the whole way from Paddy Reilly's,the tram and into the ground but then when the game was on,the fans behind the goal were a bit quiet for my liking.Waiting for the team to do something for them instead of trying to rally them.

[Condex]

After the game in Basel on Saturday had a few days in Freisburg, Germany and the Black Forest had time to relect on the shambles which was match

I never watched such a pile of cr*p in my life and went to my first
Ireland game in 1980. No leadership, no passion,no effort the ball
was a hot potato sometimes in the second half it was a joke to watch as the ball was passed over and back and then back to the keeper to hoof up field.

I was crammed in with the Swiss and had to stay put throughout the celebrations after the game. Fancy some of our supporters singing 'You'll never walk alone' after a performance like that, they should be walking the plank.

Holland as usual did nothing, great honour for him to be captain for the day when taken off he just tossed the armband on the ground it took a Swiss player to hand it to an Irish player.

O'Shea is a central defender who can't head a ball, his timing is attrocious. Robbie Keane was rubbish, his problem is that he thinks he's a good player it should been him that was taken off rather than Connolly who at least tried.
Harte was his usual self.
Carr not great but tried.
Kilbane a one trick workhorse who's not up to it.
Given two games two mistakes.

And who ever penned the ditty 'We all dream of a team of Gary Breen's (tune of Yellow Submarine) should get himself seen to, I think one does enough damage.

Duff tried his heart out, sometimes tried to take on too many men.
Healey tried in the second half but the jury is still out on him.

Watched on Eurosport highlights and saw how the Georgians tore
into the Russians from the off, even limited players like we have
should be able to do that. Brian Kerr must take responsibility
for motivating the players,what has he been doing in the last week.

We need a clearout of the dead-wood keep Kenny Cunningham on to bring through the youngsters.

[dereek]

and we know were s**t

[NigeSausagepump]

Originally posted by Condex
Brian Kerr must take responsibility
for motivating the players,what has he been doing in the last week.

.

Dead right.

I'm tired of the same line being trotted out "we only missed out because of the first two results". Yes they had an impact, but Kerr and all his sympathisers have to put their hands up and say he did not have the team motivated enough for the last two games. There was no passion or fight and for me that's the manager's fault. He'll go up significantly in my estimation if he admits that he had a part to play in our failure to qualify.

I do think he's the man for the job, but he needs to figure out quickly how to recapture the fire we are so used to seeing in Irish teams.

[Leinster Lim]

if things are not changed from the top down then the only thing we can look forward to in the forthcoming wc qualifiers is trying to beat norn iron's proud record of not scoring in the euro qualifiers. we really are that sh*te. we couldn't have beaten the Swiss side on Saturday if they had sent out a team composed entirely of their players grannies. those who argue for the status quo need their eyes tested, in my humble opinion.