Waterford Athlone Situation

[Black and White]

This a joke what the FAI are getting up to now..Apparently athlone fielded an ineligable player and waterford are being given 2 additional points.. FIFA rules are the team in question is docked points for each game the player played in. FAI's new rules as and from yesterday since this came out is that the team playing the team in question are givena 3nil walkover and the points! and i distinctly remember Pats being docked points for Paul Marney a few years ago and no other team getting the points back!I know the FAI didnt run the league back then but yet again something that will stir trouble if thats the gap at the end of the season in terms of who wins the first division.

FAI=a joke and a sham!!!

[A face]

That is a strange one alright. Is there anything on their website about it yet though?

[Dodge]

This a joke what the FAI are getting up to now..Apparently athlone fielded an ineligable player and waterford are being given 2 additional points.. FIFA rules are the team in question is docked points for each game the player played in

You're wrong. The worldwide standard now is to award a 3-0 victory

Please see the other thread

[joeSoap]

You're wrong.

Well, he is from Dundalk....

[ifk101]

I had a bet on Waterford to win this match.

Should I get my stake and winnings now?

[A face]

You're wrong. The worldwide standard now is to award a 3-0 victory

Thats for a walkover yeah? Are the other team given a walkover if a club fields an ineligible player from now on so? I wasn't aware of that, how long is that in place?

[The Lilywhites]

Whatever about awarding the points to Waterford, a 3-0 win is ridiculous. The league could yet be decided by goal difference, so Waterford could win the title thanks to goals they never actually scored.

[OneRedArmy]

Whatever about awarding the points to Waterford, a 3-0 win is ridiculous. The league could yet be decided by goal difference, so Waterford could win the title thanks to goals they never actually scored.

What part of "worldwide standard" are you having trouble with?

Suggest you take it up with FIFA.....

[HarpoJoyce]

What part of "worldwide standard" are you having trouble with?

Suggest you take it up with FIFA.....

Like someone already may have said on this thread.

"FIFA's a joke, they like shams!"

[holidaysong]

Rules 86 and 126 are the relevant rules for this situation and can be found in this document: http://www.fai.ie/pdf/FAI_Rule_Book.pdf

The new rule is stupid, but it is now the rule unfortunately. The old rule of a three point deduction for the offending club made a lot more sense in my opinion..

However, nothing will be confirmed until after the FAI disciplinary committee meeting tonight but given these new rules, I can't see any other outcome than Athlone forfeiting the game 3-0 to Waterford.

The most striking thing for me in that PDF is the effective date on these rules; "Football Association of Ireland Rules effective from 11th July 2008"..

You actually could have had a situation this year where one rule would have been applied in the first half of the season but another rule being applied in the second half of the season.. Absolutely crazy stuff by the FAI to be bringing this kind of stuff in mid-season! Even if it is a FIFA rule, surely it should be brought in during the close season...?

[harps1954]

Rules 86 and 126 are the relevant rules for this situation and can be found in this document: http://www.fai.ie/pdf/FAI_Rule_Book.pdf

The new rule is stupid, but it is now the rule unfortunately. The old rule of a three point deduction for the offending club made a lot more sense in my opinion..

However, nothing will be confirmed until after the FAI disciplinary committee meeting tonight but given these new rules, I can't see any other outcome than Athlone forfeiting the game 3-0 to Waterford.

The most striking thing for me in that PDF is the effective date on these rules; "Football Association of Ireland Rules effective from 11th July 2008"..

You actually could have had a situation this year where one rule would have been applied in the first half of the season but another rule being applied in the second half of the season.. Absolutely crazy stuff by the FAI to be bringing this kind of stuff in mid-season! Even if it is a FIFA rule, surely it should be brought in during the close season...?

But the rules are only changed at an FAI AGM - which always takes place in July. The rule applies to all football in this country, not just the LOI. Remember the LOI is in the minority in terms of summer football, most other leagues (including the LOI under-20 league) are winter leagues. The only exceptions that I can think of are the LOI 'A' League, the Ulster Senior League and the Mayo Junior League who are all summer football.

[Dodge]

And all the girly leagues...

Good point though

[holidaysong]

But the rules are only changed at an FAI AGM - which always takes place in July. The rule applies to all football in this country, not just the LOI. Remember the LOI is in the minority in terms of summer football, most other leagues (including the LOI under-20 league) are winter leagues. The only exceptions that I can think of are the LOI 'A' League, the Ulster Senior League and the Mayo Junior League who are all summer football.

The LOI is the highest level of football in the country though. I think the rules should have come in during the next close season in the LOI, or else come in at different times at the different levels, depending on when their close season is.

In my opinion, this would make more sense than having different rules in the first half and second half of the LOI season.

[HarpoJoyce]

The LOI is the highest level of football in the country though. I think the rules should have come in during the next close season in the LOI, or else come in at different times at the different levels, depending on when their close season is.

In my opinion, this would make more sense than having different rules in the first half and second half of the LOI season.

But then there would be inconsistency among different leagues within the FAI. And different rules among different teams at the same club.
Uniformity allows participants to learn together and receive & distribute the same consistent information.

A rule change means just that. A change in the rules.

[holidaysong]

But then there would be inconsistency among different leagues within the FAI. And different rules among different teams at the same club.
Uniformity allows participants to learn together and receive & distribute the same consistent information.

A rule change means just that. A change in the rules.

Then bring it in during the LOI close season, not the close season in the LSL, the MSL, or some other lower league..

Just because the FAI AGM is in July doesn't mean that the rules have to change in July.

[noby]

Is this all based on the fact that it says "effective from 11th July 2008" on that pdf?

Can we be sure that the previous revision had a different rule, or is there merely minor changes in this new updated version?

[GuisaSaigon]

I'd say the Christmas tree in Abbotstown would want to watch out!

[eelmonster]

If Waterford were to win the league on goal difference, I'd be handing out the boxes of Zip.

[holidaysong]

Can we be sure that the previous revision had a different rule, or is there merely minor changes in this new updated version?

That's a fair enough point to be honest. All the links to older versions of the rulebook that I can find just link to that updated PDF, such as this 2006 one..

[jebus]

This smells like one of Nick Leeson's plans I tell ya