Quotei forgot to mention that this 'hard lad' is sporting the latest in dubarry footwear.
His only ambition in life is to get a lovely game of rugger with opposition fans at a league of ireland game
Originally Posted by the seagull
but then surely a rugby game would break out?
i forgot to mention that this 'hard lad' is sporting the latest in dubarry footwear.
His only ambition in life is to get a lovely game of rugger with opposition fans at a league of ireland game
His only ambition in life is to get a lovely game of rugger with opposition fans at a league of ireland game
now that would be good..brings a new meaning to "supporters games"
Even in Slovenia, a country with a small league of a low standard and no great footballing tradition, I've seen ultras with far more intensity and passion than in the LOI. The attempts at copying continental ultra culture often feel very forced as opposed rather than having organically developed. A bit like when you hear the many chants lifted from the English game at LOI grounds that are chanted with an English accent.
Personally, I love the game of football and actually enjoy concentrating on and watching the game. Sure, I enjoy chanting and getting involved in the atmosphere but primarily I'm there to see what's going on on the pitch. Watching Olimpijia Ljubljana games over the years I've seen lads with their backs turned to the pitch for 90 minutes leading chants and threatning to beat up those who wanted to sit down for a minute. It reminds you of your priorities in actually being at the match, to enjoy the game.
That's when you lot were in the Premier.
Who Cares?!
There's a very real hatred there, but does it manifest itself in a violent way regularly? If it does then surely the fine rags that this country has to offer would be all over it, not to mention the forums of this website?
Really it's quite irrelevant. Some people will continue to call themselves Ultras and assign there own meaning to the term and thankfully, at least in the context of our club, that's fairly benign.
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couldnt have put it better myself salvador
Reading through this thread and the cringeworthy posts the only decent post was joey Killesters. There are some good groups in Ireland and the mentality is increasing each season. I have to laugh at people who haven't a clue about the culture saying Irish groups would be laughed at by our European counterparts. There is a growing respect for the Irish ultra scene you have to remember its only a fairly new here compared to 30-40 years in other countries. Also when people say we're trying to be like the Italians we're not we're trying to create our own scene. Like it or not the ultra culture is part of the league of Ireland now and is here to stay
Face it "Ultras" and "Barra Brava" tend to be a well organized groups, with specific area in the stadium, they use businesses run by their peers rather than outsiders, have a dress code, a command structure and generate revenue from thier "activities" (selling unofficial merchandise and kicking the sh** out of anyone who tries to do likewise, getting "sponsorship" from certain bars for example) they are often in a position to influence and pressure clubs where club presidents are elected by members rather than appointed as the case here, and in case anyone was in any doubt don't be so stupid as to buy the line that they're a "supporters club" or a "society" or anything like that... they organise violence and make money (for the top dogs) from the power they have over the clubs.
We have nothing like that and to suggest that we do is nonsense, and like I said...a bunch of scummy teens acting up doesn't constitute an Ultra group!
innit though??
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innit though??
I can say the same about your posts
Anyone who has 'respect' for the 'Irish Ultra Scene' (as though it deserves capitals *shudder*) is either using serious drugs or has been lied to.
What exactly will this scene of yours be like? A load of middle-class kids who love to think they're working class waving flags at games, singing stolen chants, obstructing everyone else's view with flares - which by the way is the cheapest way to 'create an atmosphere' imaginable - and causing the odd ruckus ''down the pub; bit of 'argy bargy innit?''
This ''part of the league'' accommodates the kids and families we're trying to draw to games how exactly? We're actually supposed to be trying to encourage younger attendees to become fans or footballers not lazy lay about scum who worry more about what they're drinking, or with whom they're fighting, after the game than the game itself.
Last edited by GenerationXI; 17/10/2008 at 11:44 AM. Reason: It did not have to be said
We tend to believe that words enable thought. But words can also substitute for thought.
- Richard A. Posner
Anyone who has 'respect' for the 'Irish Ultra Scene' (as though it deserves capitals *shudder*) is either using serious drugs or has been lied to.
What exactly will this scene of yours be like? A load of middle-class kids who love to think they're working class waving flags at games, singing stolen chants, obstructing everyone else's view with flares - which by the way is the cheapest way to 'create an atmosphere' imaginable - and causing the odd ruckus ''down the pub; bit of 'argy bargy innit?''
This ''part of the league'' accommodates the kids and families we're trying to draw to games how exactly? We're actually supposed to be trying to encourage younger attendees to become fans or footballers not lazy lay about scum who worry more about what they're drinking, or with whom they're fighting, after the game than the game itself.
And look I really tried to resist making this point, but do you really think the leader of an IRA military column fatally wounded during an attempt to storm an RUC barracks is a good handle for someone posting on a website dedicated to a british game? I think the hypocracy is causing the man's grave to convulse.
Fair comment. It shall be removed.
We tend to believe that words enable thought. But words can also substitute for thought.
- Richard A. Posner
Why? It wasn't that cheap a shot tbh.
I can't believe the fervour people are displaying about what is basically semantics in this thread. Basically everybody agrees that colour and noise are a good thing at games. The 'Ultra' Culture (or should that be The Ultra 'Culture') is just a label. To be fairly blunt about it if you go to a football match looking for a fight you're an absolute waste of oxygen. If you go to make a lot of noise and wave flags etc etc then regardless of whether you're in a group of one or one thousand I salute your enthusiasm at least. Brainless chants annoy me though...
What is the actual discussion here again?
The ball is round and has many surprises.
From what I can see-people dotn like other people calling themselves ultras....for some strange inexplicable reason since it in no way affects themWhy? It wasn't that cheap a shot tbh.
I can't believe the fervour people are displaying about what is basically semantics in this thread. Basically everybody agrees that colour and noise are a good thing at games. The 'Ultra' Culture (or should that be The Ultra 'Culture'
What is the actual discussion here again?
Ah I see it now, you've got it completely right, it's Irish people being Irish then.
The ball is round and has many surprises.
Really? Have you not read threads on this website before?
We're not arrogant, we're just better.
Who cares what you or your fruit based counterparts think. You'll never get it will you?
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All of this has happened before. All of it will happen again.
Yeah this is utterly retarded to be honest. Rambling Along dislikes kids who think they're hard and want to fight other kids and the more cerebral of us agree prima facie with that while the more intellectually challenged have tried to grapple with their own sense of identity, namely, the quandry presented by trying to balance being cool with being a moron. I refrain from tossing out pen and sword metaphors here, but to echo the sentiments of most of the more coherent posters and condense the corpus of argument into one simple maxim for the mongoloids to understand: Violence = Bad.
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