Setanta Cup Final

[dcfcsteve]

Don't worry; I'm used to dcfcsteve's ridiculously patronising posts.

Pot, kettle.....!

And we're all used used to you resorting to childish digs when your arguements are spent...

[corkboy360]

1) The idea that Cork was apparently offered the chance to host last year's final was far from common knowledge. The first most people heard of it appears to have been on here over the last few weeks.

2) Cork didn't get to the Final, so it is an irrelevant/moot point any way.

3) Why weren't you offered it in 2005, in preference to the south's preferred venue of Tolka ??

Sour Grapes STILL

Cheer up yer playing in a cup final which i suppose has to be unfair seeing has Bohs are from Dublin and it's on around the corner from phibsboro

[SunnySweeney]

Majority of them only came down for trouble and there was a pub smashed up before 5:00.

That is simply not true and misrepresents the overall spirit of what happened.

The vast majority of Glentoran fans that came down were civil, sound honest-to-goodness football supporters. There were about 15-20 kn*obheads amongst them and they seem to have been responsible for the trouble in the TCT and the sectarian BS that happened at the game (in fairness City also had a small fringe of like minded idiots that were egging them on).

If you go on the cork forum and read the posts it is quite clear that this is the overwhelming point of view. The Glentoran fans were in many cases apologetic and embarrassed by these tossers - they said that they didn't recognise them and hadn't seen them before.

Also for the record, the TCT wasn't smashed. It is true that the owner got punched and had some bottles thrown at it him. This happened while he was ejecting some of the Glentoran rabble element that have tried to give the other 98% a bad name.

[dcfcsteve]

Sour Grapes STILL

Cheer up yer playing in a cup final which i suppose has to be unfair seeing has Bohs are from Dublin and it's on around the corner from phibsboro

Grow-up Corkboy - it's not sour grapes.

Only one team on the island can win the Setanta Cup - but that doesn't stop fans of any other team from raising genuine concerns over it where they exist. And anyoen who thinks there weren't issues re choice of venue this years has their head up their arse.

Your earlier post claiming the majority of Glens fans came down looking for trouble says a lot about how seriously you can be taken anyway. And I note you didn't even try to tackle the issues raised in my message above. Don't bother responding if you've not got anything constructive or vaguely sensible to say....

P.S. I'm literally cringing for you at your comments re Bohs and the FAI Cup Final

[Réiteoir]

Grow-up Corkboy - it's not sour grapes.

Only one team on the island can win the Setanta Cup - but that doesn't stop fans of any other team from raising genuine concerns over it where they exist. And anyoen who thinks there weren't issues re choice of venue this years has their head up their arse.

Your earlier post claiming the majority of Glens fans came down looking for trouble says a lot about how seriously you can be taken anyway. And I note you didn't even try to tackle the issues raised in my message above. Don't bother responding if you've not got anything constructive or vaguely sensible to say....

P.S. I'm literally cringing for you at your comments re Bohs and the FAI Cup Final

Have you not heard Steve - they've shelved Harristown and are moving into the RDS from next season

[A face]

That is simply not true and misrepresents the overall spirit of what happened.

The vast majority of Glentoran fans that came down were civil, sound honest-to-goodness football supporters. There were about 15-20 kn*obheads amongst them and they seem to have been responsible for the trouble in the TCT and the sectarian BS that happened at the game (in fairness City also had a small fringe of like minded idiots that were egging them on).

If you go on the cork forum and read the posts it is quite clear that this is the overwhelming point of view. The Glentoran fans were in many cases apologetic and embarrassed by these tossers - they said that they didn't recognise them and hadn't seen them before.

Also for the record, the TCT wasn't smashed. It is true that the owner got punched and had some bottles thrown at it him. This happened while he was ejecting some of the Glentoran rabble element that have tried to give the other 98% a bad name.

I agree here, the Glens fans were brilliant, each and everyone of them. The guys who caused the trouble in the pub were not Glens fans, no colours, just braindead twits looking for trouble.

100% of Glens fans were brilliant, end of.

[pateen]

I agree here, the Glens fans were brilliant, each and everyone of them. The guys who caused the trouble in the pub were not Glens fans, no colours, just braindead twits looking for trouble.

100% of Glens fans were brilliant, end of.

Have to say the same. I met some really sound glens fans. Even at the smoking section of the Evergreen, there was loads of 12th July marching songs been sang. I think I was the only cork supporter there at one stage and two lads put their arms around me to join in, there was laughter and big smiles all round all they sang towards me.
The same after the game, hand shakes and 'the better team won' comments

You always get the idiot schooligans everywhere and Glens unfortunately were no different.

[sadloserkid]

100% of Glens fans were brilliant, end of.

Does that 100% include those who were throwing objects at Murphy, Kearney etc? Or the two who leaned over the wall to shove Danny Murphy in the first half? I may never recover from the shock of coming down on the same side as the Cockney Weasel...

Edit: I'm sure the majority of Glentoran fans were lovely people. But they came across fairly poorly on TV because of those who acted the moron.

[adamd164]

No it isn't.

Windsor has always been the north's final venue. If Linfield hadn't made last year's final it would still have been at Windsor.

Linfield therefore had home advantage by default. This year, Cork were given it by design. If you can't see the difference here - one of intent - then I really do fear for you.

Rubbish. It's not that it's the north's "preferred" venue at all, it's simply the only ground in the north capable of hosting such a final. That isn't true of the south (leaving of course the St Annes End fiasco to one side, because of the decision having been taken in the assumption that it'd be open).

Turner's Cross is at least as good a venue is Tolka Park (now better following recent work, in my opinion) and so there's nothing particularly remarkable about hosting it there.

Cheers to BohDiddley and everyone else who's offered sincere congrats to us. I know who I'm rooting for in the FAI anyway; let's make it an Irish double!

[MariborKev]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...sh/7707102.stm

Whatever about what has gone before, I am delighted with the approach taken by the committee on this one.

Aubry Ralph comments after the game were little more than blackmail. Glad to see their bluff has been called.

[MariborKev]

I'm rooting for in the FAI anyway; let's make it an Irish double!

[dcfcsteve]

Rubbish. It's not that it's the north's "preferred" venue at all, it's simply the only ground in the north capable of hosting such a final.

Why couldn't The Oval host a Setanta Final ?

Or Mourneview ? Or Ballymena Showgrounds ?

Do you actually know much about any grounds in the North outside of Windsor ?

[razor]

Cheers to BohDiddley and everyone else who's offered sincere congrats to us. I know who I'm rooting for in the FAI anyway;

You can't tar them all with the one brush cos of steves one man Setanta Cup Final venue crusade.

[A face]

Does that 100% include those who were throwing objects at Murphy, Kearney etc? Or the two who leaned over the wall to shove Danny Murphy in the first half? I may never recover from the shock of coming down on the same side as the Cockney Weasel.

They are not fans though, Glens fans have said that that section the faces weren't recognised and it was just an element who had only interest in trouble, not even looking at the game.

Edit: I'm sure the majority of Glentoran fans were lovely people. But they came across fairly poorly on TV because of those who acted the moron.

Well City fans want to play them every week, because the Glens fans were brilliant. Loads of colour, noise, chants, good bit of an edge, there in numbers and great craic. They were easily the best fans at the Cross all year. Inside and outside the ground.

[MariborKev]

Well City fans want to play them every week, because the Glens fans were brilliant. Loads of colour, noise, chants, good bit of an edge, there in numbers and great craic. They were easily the best fans at the Cross all year. Inside and outside the ground.

Not trying to pour water on this, but see what the numbers are like if you were playing them three times a year.

[crc]

it was just an element who had only interest in trouble, not even looking at the game.

I was at the game and saw this. There were a few who were holding up 'banners' towards the shed and didn't turn round to watch the match once. Is that seriously why they travelled 6/7 hours and back again?

Most of the Glentoran fans were great. I went to the Evergreen after the game and there was a good number of Glens fans and they were all good craic - it was a picture of the way football should be in Ireland.

On the issue of the stadium, Turners Cross is still one of the best grounds in the league even with a whole stand missing, but the ticket distribution wasn't fair. It should have been 50:50. Even with a reduced capacity, Glens should have been entitled to at least as many tickets as they could sell up to 50%.
However, even though I think that finals should be in a neutral venue, I'm resistant to the idea that the only suitable venues exist in the Belfast-Dublin corridor. Ireland is more than just these two cities, and anywhere that is capable should be a legitimate venue for a final.
It should be noted, however, that in terms of the Setanta Cup, Cork are normally at a profound disadvantage, given that 4 clubs come from each league (and when Derry qualify, it means that 5 clubs come from NI). The closest away game for Cork out of all 4 seasons of the Setanta Cup has been in Dublin. Contrast this to every other club, where most games are about 2 hours away or less.

[Patrick Dunne]

Good point, crc.

It occurred to me during the acrimonious build-up to the Setanta Cup Final that Terryland Park could have been a possible alternative venue. Outside of Turners Cross, it can now claim to be the second best ground in the EL.

5,000 + capacity. Half-way between Cork and Belfast.

[corkboy360]

That is simply not true and misrepresents the overall spirit of what happened.

The vast majority of Glentoran fans that came down were civil, sound honest-to-goodness football supporters. There were about 15-20 kn*obheads amongst them and they seem to have been responsible for the trouble in the TCT and the sectarian BS that happened at the game (in fairness City also had a small fringe of like minded idiots that were egging them on).

If you go on the cork forum and read the posts it is quite clear that this is the overwhelming point of view. The Glentoran fans were in many cases apologetic and embarrassed by these tossers - they said that they didn't recognise them and hadn't seen them before.

Also for the record, the TCT wasn't smashed. It is true that the owner got punched and had some bottles thrown at it him. This happened while he was ejecting some of the Glentoran rabble element that have tried to give the other 98% a bad name.

Well from my point of view Turners Cross was not a safe place to stroll around on your own before the game and if you go over to the cork forum read pr's post about been threathened by a glentoran fan.Also i was walking out and as i passed the mountain a group of about 10 with colours and a flag shouted "fenian *******".I can only post on my own experience

[A face]

Good point, crc.

It occurred to me during the acrimonious build-up to the Setanta Cup Final that Terryland Park could have been a possible alternative venue. Outside of Turners Cross, it can now claim to be the second best ground in the EL.

5,000 + capacity. Half-way between Cork and Belfast.

Its a very valid point, and where better to have a final than Galway, great city, good craic, can definitely cater for two big sets of travelling fans. It would be ideal actually, fair play Patrick.

[Lux Interior]

Not trying to pour water on this, but see what the numbers are like if you were playing them three times a year.

No doubt they'd be down. More routine games bring out more routine fans.

Bit like your turnout at Pats for your group game, yip?