QuoteNo, but it is conducted in the presence of representatives from each club.Originally Posted by pete
Is the coin toss conducted in public?
Is the coin toss conducted in public?
No, but it is conducted in the presence of representatives from each club.Is the coin toss conducted in public?
I'm not alleging a "conspiracy" of the type whereby e.g. people in the ROI conspire deliberately to "do down" NI football.
But it does look to me that in furthering their own interests, certain individuals or organisations in the ROI are risking alienating irrevocably those others in NI who should be their equal partners in this whole venture.
I daresay that is true. But the media do care for controversy - it sells, after all. And a good old (cross-border) row about who is responsible for screwing up etc should certainly be controversial.
If Linfield don't enter next year, I suspect the Glens won't either.Right, off with you then. Close the door on the way out.
Tell the people at Setanta to make sure and turn the lights out...
Don't think the FAI could force the MFA to do anything but they certainly havn't put on enough pressure
Who is actually paying for the upgrade of Turners' Cross? Who owns it? And who put up the money to buy it?
Besides, even if the FAI cannot force the MFA to sort out the ground in time, could they not award the Final to another ground?
I'd argue that by continuing to play in a tinpot competition like the Country Antrim Shield the Northern clubs are equally guilty of furthering their own interests.
Until the respective associations get rid of the League Cup and widen the competition, the Setanta will be a poor relation.
The MFA (amateur body of committee blazers) own Turners Cross & Cork City rent it for home games. Money put into it in recent years has come from a variety of sources including Government sports capital grant, National Lottery, FAI, gate receipts from Sunderland v Cork City friendly (CCFC just provided the team & did not run the event) which paid for new turnstiles. The grants in recent years were given on the basis that the ground is made available to CCFC (or maybe just an LOI team).
Eh? By contesting the CAS, NI clubs/IFA may be "furthering their own interests" (somewhat debateable, in fact), but this is hardly at the expense of teams in the ROI.
Likewise, when FAI teams contest their own League Cup, then that is not doing NI clubs/IFA any harm.
You forget that the FAI and IFA are supposed to be equal partners in the Setanta Cup. Yet certain influential individuals both in FAI and Setanta itself do not seem to recognise this, and so are acting in an entirely selfish way, to the detriment of the IFA, and by extension, to the possible future of the Setanta Cup itself.
Cart before horse. There are serious flaws in the SC as it stands. In particular, the IFA/NI clubs appear seriously p1ssed off. This needs to be put right before anyone can even think of expanding the SC, for unless it is, there might not even be a SC in future.
If these problems can be resolved and the competition put back on a stable footing, then it might be worth considering expansion. Only then will it be the right time, however, to consider clearing the respective fixture schedules, in order to allow extra SC games.
So it may well be that only a small proportion of the money to purchase and redevelop TC came from the MFA itself. Yet even though they are affiliated to the FAI, who put up at least some of the money, they (MFA) cannot be instructed on such a matter by the FAI?
Perhaps the constitutions of the FAI and MFA, or the relative ground contracts etc, don't allow for this. But I cannot believe that a quiet word from the FAI into the ear of the MFA about future games and grants etc, could not have "persuaded" them to sort out the new stand in time, or else release the FAI to stage the game elsewhere.
If Linfield don't enter next year, I suspect the Glens won't either.
Tell the people at Setanta to make sure and turn the lights out...
In which case setanta will hopefully tell all the nordie teams to go fook themselves and have the competition amongst the top 8 in the Eircom League.
Maybe then....THEN Rovers can qualify for the competition!!
what is it they put in the water in the 6 counties that turns each and everyone into a complete whinge bag ?!?
witness the whingein of the hardy hars against the gypolata's?
if they werent playing the filthy mongrels i'd shout from the rooftop's for the opposition in the years FAIlure Cup.
Shamrock Rovers- Where trophies are won and envy is scarce
For Glens fans, if the Glens had reached last years final (which was to be held in Belfast) and been playing Cork in the Final, would you have agreed to switch the final to Dublin in order to make it fairer for Cork?
Hardly Likely.
As much as this is equally an attack on Derry, I find myself agreeeing with you
Cork City also paid €32,000 for the seats at the St.Anne's end and €8,000 to tarmac the area around it. So €40k of the money spent thus far has come directly from the club, also it's worth noting that the MFA were able to draw down the lottery money and grants that they have in large because they have Cork City as an anchor tenant.
Sure. In fact, why not go the whole hog and rename it something like, say, The League Cup?
Who?
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Who?
Who?
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"Shouting from the rooftop's" [sic] is a very short step from howling at the moon...
Possibly, possibly not - it's a bit hypothetical. But if it were switched to Dublin, we couldn't have complained too loudly. (If nothing else, this year has proved that no-one listens to our complaints anyway.)
Anyhow, you're hardly comparing like-with-like. For one thing, such a game in Belfast would not have been at our home ground, but at Windsor.
For another, capacity would not have been restricted to a paltry 4,200. (WP holds 15,000 seated, plus another few thousand standing)
Cork fans would have been allocated as many tickets as they could possibly want, so if they were outnumbered 3:1, it would only be because they didn't have enough fans willing to travel.
Plus there would have been plenty of tickets for any neutrals who wanted to go along.
And you would never have had the situation whereby Cork fans had paid out for travel and accommodation etc, then later found that their promised tickets were no longer available.
So all-in-all, even in Belfast, a final between Cork and the Glens would have been a much better - and fairer - option.
P.S. Had the Final been between Derry and the Glens, Derry fans have posted here that they would have accepted it in Belfast (Windsor). Yet it seems that Setanta had already determined it would have been at the Brandywell, come what may.
I have to say, I really enjoyed reading your replies there Ealing Green
So if you think Bohs are big read this. http://www.astronomy.ie/perpespective.html
The MFA have a long term lease on the ground.
Confusion over who owns it now, it was a Canadian family possibly now the FAi...dunno tbh.
Grants are paying for the upgrades because City are there
Not by the time they bothered to check if it was actually ready...they just took the MFA's word for it til 2 days ago
No ordinary joe soap see's this flip though
lads have 2 spare tickets for setanta cup final in donie forde stand. anyonewant em p.m. me before 10a.m. tomoro morning. they have to be collected in mitchelstown tomorow. face value
if it wasnt for birds and booze id have played for ireland juniors!!!!!
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