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    Quote Originally Posted by EalingGreen View Post
    Glens have to travel a distance which means coach fans MUST stay overnight.

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    No it doesnt.

    We did Linfield up and down in the one night last year...and derry this year.

    Not much fun but certainly do able

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    Quote Originally Posted by EalingGreen View Post
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    Total capacity is around 4,000, because building work was not completed in time.
    Do Cork and Glentoran get the same amount of tickets each?

    We did Linfield up and down in the one night last year...and derry this year.

    Not much fun but certainly do able
    Depends on the result one would imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thischarmingman View Post
    Do Cork and Glentoran get the same amount of tickets each?
    No. The idiots involved gave the Glens an initial allocation of 1100 before checking to ensure the St Annes would be ready. They promised them 400 more from the St Annes.

    They gave us an initial allocation of 2800 thinking the glens would have more than enough with their St Anne's tickets


    Quote Originally Posted by thischarmingman View Post
    Depends on the result one would imagine.
    True...the last trip back from Derry was far far better than the Linfield one

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    Quote Originally Posted by micls View Post
    No it doesnt.

    We did Linfield up and down in the one night last year...and derry this year.

    Not much fun but certainly do able
    You may be correct. Alternatively, NI companies may operate under a different regime.

    I posted this on the strength of what a Glens fan posted on another site, after he approached some coach companies. I'll try and look it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by micls View Post
    No. The idiots involved gave the Glens an initial allocation of 1100 before checking to ensure the St Annes would be ready. They promised them 400 more from the St Annes.
    Although it amounts to the same thing (i.e. an "allocation" of 1,100), my understanding from what the Glens' Chairman has said is that GFC were asked how many tickets they wanted and replied 1,500. They were not told that this might be a problem, so their fans started booking travel and accommodation etc.

    The club estimates that 1,300 had already done so when Setanta/FAI came back and said they could only have 1,100, since the St.Anne's Stand was not actually going to be completed, as promised.

    P.S. I watched BBC NI this evening and Alan McDonald (GFC manager) was on. He's not happy, to say the least. And you do not want to make Big Al unhappy. I hope he uses this anger constructively to fire up the boys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EalingGreen View Post
    You may be correct. Alternatively, NI companies may operate under a different regime.

    I posted this on the strength of what a Glens fan posted on another site, after he approached some coach companies. I'll try and look it out.
    AFAIk theres a couple of Glens coaches going back after the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EalingGreen View Post
    .... then tell Setanta and the FAI to shove the competition up their arse.
    Any excuse to have a go at your friends in Ireland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ifk101 View Post
    Any excuse to have a go at your friends in Ireland.
    I appreciate you're only joking, but if I may be serious, then this is real bad news for domestic football in Ireland (imo).

    For coupled with reservations which Linfield have recently expressed, Setanta really cannot afford to p1ss off the Glens, since no Big Two means no Setanta Cup, end of.

    And what's really bad is that reading between the lines, it's not just the actual decisions which are being taken which appear to have annoyed so many in NI, but the manner in which they have been taken.

    For instance, it has been strongly implied by the IFA that a "consultation" process with them over where the Final should be played was conducted after the decision had actually been made to give it to Cork.

    And for individuals at the IFA and GFC to be prepared to go on the record in specifically naming Corcoran (Setanta) and Hayes (FAI?) as the subject of their anger, shows just how p1ssed off they really are.

    All of which is a shame, since despite my reservations over other aspects of cross-border relationships(!), I am 100% behind the concept of a competition such as this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by micls View Post
    AFAIk theres a couple of Glens coaches going back after the game.
    Fair enough, I stand corrected.

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    It'd be a shame if the Setanta cup collapsed in a year that shows real promise at least on the pitch for north-south competition on this island. Two of the three major cup competitions on the island and one of the lesser ones have been contested between a team from the north and a team from the south!
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    Quote Originally Posted by micls View Post
    Well given that circumstances have changed then yes....that tends to happen when things change.
    The game was only acknowledged for Turners Cross 15 days ago.

    About one week into that 15 day period, it became clear that the work to the stadium would not be finished in time. If it was clear 7 days ago that there wasn't enough time, it should've been clear 15 days ago - as I doubt much changed in the intervening week.

    The final should never have been allocated to a ground for which there was even a slight chance it wouldn't be ready.

    The final is now being played in front of its lowest ever attendnace in a building site of a stadium where oen team has been deliberately given home advantage and two-thirds of the attendance. Setanta may as well just give Cork the cup winners cheque and save everyone the travelling.

    The choice of venue for this year's final has been nothing short of a monumental fcuk-up, and has the potential to knacker the entire competition. Serious bollockings needs to be doled out over this avoidable and self-inflicted fiasco.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcfcsteve View Post
    The game was only acknowledged for Turners Cross 15 days ago.

    About one week into that 15 day period, it became clear that the work to the stadium would not be finished in time. If it was clear 7 days ago that there wasn't enough time, it should've been clear 15 days ago - as I doubt much changed in the intervening week. .
    What? Steve you really need to start looking up facts before posting.

    The work that needs to be done on the St Annes for it to be open could STILL be ready in time, if it were allowed.

    Our owner agreed to bring his own people in and get it done.

    Another builder with NO connection to CCFC offered on radio today to go in start and get the work done by Saturday FREE OF CHARGE.

    The MFA refused.

    Yes this was a major **** up, but not one that was or could have been known a week ago given that all that needs to be done is the rubble cleared a bit fenced off and a path laid. The FAI were stupid to trust the MFA, yes but its in no way surprising that CCFC and its fans expected until yesterday that the work would be done

    Im not gonna read the rest of the post because the above is completely off the mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by micls View Post

    The MFA refused...

    ...The FAI were stupid to trust the MFA
    If, as you say, the remedial work to the stand could have been achieved on time, why haven't the FAI told the MFA to sort it?

    Who controls whom?

    This all comes back to my main objection, which is not so much the (unfair/incompetent) decisions themselves which have been taken, as the process by which they've been arrived at, along with the motives and personalities of those who are taking them.

    In particular, I am less concerned by Setanta, both because they are a commercial organisation and also because they are putting the money up.

    But the FAI has neither such excuse and they appear at best to be complacent, or at worst colluding with (even directing?) a process which risks so alienating the IFA and Northern clubs, that the entire competiton may be in jeopardy.

    At least some of the media in NI are reporting this. Are their counterparts in the Republic doing so? Is pressure being put on the FAI and Setanta down there? Or are people unaware/not bothered?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EalingGreen View Post
    But the FAI has neither such excuse and they appear at best to be complacent, or at worst colluding with (even directing?) a process which risks so alienating the IFA and Northern clubs, that the entire competiton may be in jeopardy.
    There's no conspiracy theory here and the competition is/was in jeopardy long before this farce.

    Quote Originally Posted by EalingGreen View Post
    At least some of the media in NI are reporting this. Are their counterparts in the Republic doing so? Is pressure being put on the FAI and Setanta down there? Or are people unaware/not bothered?
    Very few care about LOI football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcfcsteve View Post
    The choice of venue for this year's final has been nothing short of a monumental fcuk-up, and has the potential to knacker the entire competition.

    Complete b*llocks. No team will pull out of this competition while Setanta are putting up 30k for qualifying and up to 150k for winning the thing.

    Glentoran and Linfield can huff and puff all they like, they'll be back next year, mark my words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamd164 View Post
    Complete b*llocks. No team will pull out of this competition while Setanta are putting up 30k for qualifying and up to 150k for winning the thing.

    Glentoran and Linfield can huff and puff all they like, they'll be back next year, mark my words.
    Linfield might be in next years competition, but if you think the 30k is what is going to keep us in it, then your sadly mistaken. 30k is pittence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dassa View Post
    I think the venue decision will affect future IL involvement in setanta cup. To give team such an advantage is a disgrace.


    why , we DROGS played in belfast last year, not the easiest place to go to (football wise) and won so i dont think you have an argument there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Bruce View Post
    Linfield might be in next years competition, but if you think the 30k is what is going to keep us in it, then your sadly mistaken. 30k is pittence.
    Right, off with you then. Close the door on the way out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcfcsteve View Post
    The game was only acknowledged for Turners Cross 15 days ago.

    About one week into that 15 day period, it became clear that the work to the stadium would not be finished in time. If it was clear 7 days ago that there wasn't enough time, it should've been clear 15 days ago - as I doubt much changed in the intervening week.

    The final should never have been allocated to a ground for which there was even a slight chance it wouldn't be ready.

    The final is now being played in front of its lowest ever attendnace in a building site of a stadium where oen team has been deliberately given home advantage and two-thirds of the attendance. Setanta may as well just give Cork the cup winners cheque and save everyone the travelling.

    The choice of venue for this year's final has been nothing short of a monumental fcuk-up, and has the potential to knacker the entire competition. Serious bollockings needs to be doled out over this avoidable and self-inflicted fiasco.
    er how many times did youwin the league cup at home

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    Quote Originally Posted by mandrake View Post
    er how many times did youwin the league cup at home
    Twice in the past two years. The League Cup final venue is decided with a coin flip. It's not ideal, but at least the process is transparent. (IMO, it should be two legs)

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