Leagues Financial facts & Rumours thread

[harps1954]

Pedantic, I know, as I agree it's looking more likely Drogheda won't be around at all next year, but should that read "apply to all three divisions"? If a club doesn't get a licence, would they end up in the A League rather than the First?

Also, no idea how true this is, but I met one of the schoolboy scouts for UCD at the Kildare game, and he was saying that FAI rules state that once you're relegated, you're relegated, end of story. Upshot of this is that if Drogs go, Harps are still down and Shels would be up. Again, don't know if this is correct, and of course the rules may have been re-written in 2006. It's not something that's ever happened though (a Premier team going bust after the First Division and in a non-new-makey-uppey league season).

The only time I remember a Premier team going bust was when Dublin City folded midway through a season. No club was automatically relegated at the end of that season - however, the team that finished last (11th) then went into the play-off as the rule was 2nd in the first v 11th in the Premier.

I'm not so sure either that Harps will be awarded a Premier place if Drogheda went bust. I agree, they were relegated on the pitch. However, by the same token, Shels didn't win promotion. Hard to know what the FAI would do in the situation though.

[Dodge]

Nothing to do with our league but its happened a couple of times in Scotland where potential promoted teams haven't received their premierdivision license (equivalent) and the botom team have stayed up

[pineapple stu]

Thing is, the Dublin City situation is technically different as there was no promotion or relegation - all 21 teams were ranked, and the top 12 chosen. I know it's nonsense, but that's how the Premier was picked. (Dublin City would have been relegated anyway, I'd say).

Harps should stay up if it comes to it (you could argue Drogheda's overspending cost Harps 9th spot, whereas it's nothing to do with Shels), but I don't know if that's what's going to happen.

[pineapple stu]

Nothing to do with our league but its happened a couple of times in Scotland where potential promoted teams haven't received their premierdivision license (equivalent) and the botom team have stayed up

I know in the Welsh league, if the First Division (regional) winner turns down promotion, second place gets offered it. Only if they turn it down do the relegated team stay up. That'd be the equivalent (albeit in a very tenuous and unlinked way) to giving Shels first dibs.

Edit - that said, when Gretna went belly up, I think no-one got relegated.

[Longfordian]

The outstanding money does not have to be paid to players til 31st of January.

Yeah I asked someone in our club and that's what they said. If you've heard the same thing it must have some truth. They definitely changed the dates recently for the financial section, what exactly that covers I'm not sure.

[Dodge]

maybe you have to have the agreement in place by Nov 30th, and to pay them back by Jan 31st at the latest?

[jinxy lilywhite]

If I can throw my 2 cents in here lads. If Drogs go bust it will be bad. Though I would disagree with Harps being the automatically choosen team to take their place. Harps finished 10th but they also had to get their players to take a pay cut. So did cobh (11th) and the only club who obeyed the rules and paid their player 100% and on time, down in the bottom half actually finished bottom. If I was a UCD fan I'd be livid that other clubs who disobeyed the rules off the pitch are getting another crack of the whip ahead of them. If UCD didn't want the place then I'd only offer it then to shels

[pineapple stu]

On that basis, you may as well give us a European spot though.

[micls]

maybe you have to have the agreement in place by Nov 30th, and to pay them back by Jan 31st at the latest?

No. nothing needs to be sorted til January.

If you have an agreement in place by January 31st, e.g. staged payments after that, thats fine too.

Well I hope Im right, otherwise we're screwed....

[harps1954]

Harps finished 10th but they also had to get their players to take a pay cut.

Harps players took a wage deferral - not a cut. As far as I know, the players have agreements in place to be paid any outstanding monies. It was more a way to address a cash flow problem on the club's part, than an actual cut.

[John83]

Harps players took a wage deferral - not a cut. As far as I know, the players have agreements in place to be paid any outstanding monies. It was more a way to address a cash flow problem on the club's part, than an actual cut.

I thought there were major contract renegotiations there. Am I wrong?

[Sam_Heggy]

I thought there were major contract renegotiations there. Am I wrong?

Players will be paid, no problems with licencing.

[John83]

I didn't question that, but it's not the same thing.

[Lim till i die]

If you think thats bad, word is just breaking down on Suir side that WUFC is officially about to go under, there has been a few resignations within the MC and no money is available to pay the players from what they were promised earlier.
Thats the reason why Gareth Cronin left, he heard what was coming down the line, there now is a very strong possibilty there may not be a club around for the start of the 2009 season, its be coming for a while but now it looks as if its finally happened, sad day indeed for LOI football in Waterford .

Meh.

Hear the same rubbish about nine times a year.

Still if it stops you from cheating next season can only be a good thing.

Between Cullen and Delaney I reckon ye will be just fine.

Drogs, on the otherhand, I'm convinced are screwed.

Waterford. Where is the support in times like these?

Waterfords support is woeful.

[Lim till i die]

the first div where all the clubs have met theres

Let's not go nuts

[oriel]

If I can throw my 2 cents in here lads. If Drogs go bust it will be bad. Though I would disagree with Harps being the automatically choosen team to take their place. Harps finished 10th but they also had to get their players to take a pay cut. So did cobh (11th) and the only club who obeyed the rules and paid their player 100% and on time, down in the bottom half actually finished bottom. If I was a UCD fan I'd be livid that other clubs who disobeyed the rules off the pitch are getting another crack of the whip ahead of them. If UCD didn't want the place then I'd only offer it then to shels

I think you`ve some very good points here and your suggestion is perfect to me, but unfortunately things wont work like that in this league

I would hate to see drogs relegated, am/was really looking forward to these games next year, not least the big crowds the fixture attracts.

[Major Tom]

Meh.



Waterfords support is woeful.

LMAO,

Coming from a Limerick fan??

[cheech]

FAI rules state that if a team folds or gets demoted then the next highest ranked team will stay in the Premier. Which in this case is Harps.

[gotaroundbetter]

If you think thats bad, word is just breaking down on Suir side that WUFC is officially about to go under, there has been a few resignations within the MC and no money is available to pay the players from what they were promised earlier.
Thats the reason why Gareth Cronin left, he heard what was coming down the line, there now is a very strong possibilty there may not be a club around for the start of the 2009 season, its be coming for a while but now it looks as if its finally happened, sad day indeed for LOI football in Waterford .

You better get Partizan to cancel the DBSC badges so.

Nothing of this on btid ??

[OneRedArmy]

the only club who obeyed the rules and paid their player 100% and on time

Where are you quoting that rule from?

If the pay cut is agreed with the players and contracts re-written then its within the rules surely?