Is it time the players woke up to the situation?

**passerrby** · 10/10/2008, 4:08 PM

Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite

& I wish Monaghan self sustainability

thanks and I in return wish you all the luck you deserve

**oldyouth** · 10/10/2008, 5:38 PM

Originally Posted by sadloserkid

The blame is 100% with the clubs.

And regarding our own situation we've done fine this year and have kept our expenditure to a minimum (sight seeing trips to see what are apparantly the finest two pitches in the country notwithstanding) we'd be no better off than the Longfords or Kildares of this world were it not for Chairman McCarthy (we'd obviously still have a few more fans than Kildare). While I'm pleased that it looks like we'll manage a full season without a public financial crisis my natural pessimism isn't allowing me to get carried away just yet.

The problem in basing your financial position on a benefactor such as your chairman and our own Mr. Wallace is that their wealth has to be under pressure from the current financial situation. I would not doubt their intention to provide long term support to the clubs but they may have to cut back.

**jinxy lilywhite** · 11/10/2008, 8:21 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Aren't you a co-op? If you're a company, you can get your accounts on the CRO. But I've been there with no joy.

No the Co-Op was disbanded in late 2005 or early 2006. Gerry Matthews took over the club then. I tried the CRO but I don't know the holding company. Dundalk Fc isn't listed and i don't think Mr Matthews would be set up as a sole trader.

Stu is not difficult to get accounts for private companies? Are there disclosure requirements less than that of a public company? Its been over 2 years now since I looked at company law that I quite forget.

BTW: Cheers Mons for the support, though I've a funny feeling we'll be in the first next season

**sadloserkid** · 12/10/2008, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by oldyouth

The problem in basing your financial position on a benefactor such as your chairman and our own Mr. Wallace is that their wealth has to be under pressure from the current financial situation. I would not doubt their intention to provide long term support to the clubs but they may have to cut back.

Bingo. Our is less of a liability in the media too (though I'll concede that he could be up to all sorts in his own local press...)

**pineapple stu** · 12/10/2008, 5:51 PM

Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite

Stu is not difficult to get accounts for private companies? Are there disclosure requirements less than that of a public company? Its been over 2 years now since I looked at company law that I quite forget.

You get accounts for private companies through the CRO. There's less detail in them, however - in particular, you've no P&L account compared to public company accounts. You can do a business name search for Dundalk FC and see what company operates the business name. I did it about two years ago and found it was a co-op, but I might have a look again if it's changed.

**micls** · 12/10/2008, 8:14 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

I'll add to this and say the main thing I despise about a club's fans when they have money trouble is the amount of them that call one of their own player's a Judas or scum for not accepting a pay cut. He has a contract and can understandbly expect that contract to be fulfilled, no matter the cost to the club. I've always asked people like that if they would accept (say) a 70% pay cut on their legally binding contract if their boss asked them to

Any fan who would react like that is an idiot

No player should have to go through what our playrs for example or going through this year. Trying to work out how to live, pay mortgages etc on 30% of their wages. Now I have great respect for the way our players have reacted to the circumstance but they just shouldnt have to.

Take Gamble, offered an improved contract to keep him away from Pats and now on 30%.....

No one is at fault but the people in charge. For example take Tynan. I know for a fact that 2 of our players(one now gone) offered to sign contracts this year for much less than Tynan gave them. One wanted to stay on and offered to take a pay cut to do so....Tynan gave him a ay increase.

Another was signing and offered to sign for x amount. Tynan gave him 60% MORE than he asked for. Its financial stupidity and recklessness like this that has gotten us where we are.

The players are not the problem

**blackholesun** · 13/10/2008, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by micls

The players are not the problem

Hhhmmm, well that not 100% true, some players along with their agents are playing one club off against others to jack up the salaries. Yes, its mainly the idiot clubs agreeing to silly money for some above average players who are mainly to blame but some players are partly to blame too.

Sure look at Kearney snaking off to Shels for the money, he can hardly cry the poor mouth now can he!

bhs

**OneRedArmy** · 13/10/2008, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by micls

The players are not the problem

Given what Fran Gavin told the media on Saturday (and the attendees at the Fans Forum earlier) that 75% professional contracts expire at the end of this season, then I'd re-phrase that: The players have a problem.

Stephen McGuinness said quite a few were coming to him asking if they should be taking part-time jobs.

But your original point stands, this wasn't the fault of the players.

**jebus** · 13/10/2008, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by blackholesun

Hhhmmm, well that not 100% true, some players along with their agents are playing one club off against others to jack up the salaries. Yes, its mainly the idiot clubs agreeing to silly money for some above average players who are mainly to blame but some players are partly to blame too.

Sure look at Kearney snaking off to Shels for the money, he can hardly cry the poor mouth now can he!

bhs

Nonsense. A player has every right to look out for the best deal, and the best deal is up to the clubs involved. It could be 2k a week, it could be 500 a week, the player has no say in that

**micls** · 13/10/2008, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by blackholesun

Hhhmmm, well that not 100% true, some players along with their agents are playing one club off against others to jack up the salaries. Yes, its mainly the idiot clubs agreeing to silly money for some above average players who are mainly to blame but some players are partly to blame too.

Sure look at Kearney snaking off to Shels for the money, he can hardly cry the poor mouth now can he!

bhs

Rubbish. Playing the clubs off against each other

If we had competent people in charge the clubs would offer what they could afford and leave it at that.

Why exactly cant he cry 'poor mouth'?
Kearney left for shels because he was offered more money and wasnt being offered what he thought he deserved by us. A time when we actually used some common sense not to try to compete with Shels.

He came back cos he hated it up there and was given more money by Tynan and co that he was on originally with City.

He has every right to cry 'poor mouth', he was given a contract and it should be adhered to, end of story.

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Given what Fran Gavin told the media on Saturday (and the attendees at the Fans Forum earlier) that 75% professional contracts expire at the end of this season, then I'd re-phrase that: The players have a problem.

Stephen McGuinness said quite a few were coming to him asking if they should be taking part-time jobs.

But your original point stands, this wasn't the fault of the players.

Big change coming alright....well hopefully. The players, along with man others will have to adapt to a new more difficult time, take part time jobs etc. Once their current contracts are fulfilled I dont have a problem with that

**Battery Rover** · 13/10/2008, 12:55 PM

I spoke to a few players Saturday night at our game and they all fully understood clubs would dictate wages next season and not player demands.

**blackholesun** · 13/10/2008, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Given what Fran Gavin told the media on Saturday (and the attendees at the Fans Forum earlier) that 75% professional contracts expire at the end of this season, then I'd re-phrase that: The players have a problem.

Stephen McGuinness said quite a few were coming to him asking if they should be taking part-time jobs.

The bottom line is that the money is not in the league to support 5 or 6 full time teams, or pay loadza players more than 1K a week.

The Scandinavian model of train in the morning and a part-time job in the afternoon is the way to go!

bhs

**Dodge** · 13/10/2008, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Battery Rover

I spoke to a few players Saturday night at our game and they all fully understood clubs would dictate wages next season and not player demands.

One player I know is looking to leave for the UK as it offers greater job security

**micls** · 13/10/2008, 1:00 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

One player I know is looking to leave for the UK as it offers greater job security

id imagine anyone good enough will go. But the majority of players wont get a contract across the water

**blackholesun** · 13/10/2008, 1:08 PM

> Rubbish. Playing the clubs off against each other

If we had competent people in charge the clubs would offer what they could afford and leave it at that.

Yeah but football clubs usually are not run by sensible biz people, they are run by egomaniacs who take stupid risks and stretch themselves too far. They players and agents know this and take advantage / the pi$$ at times.

>Why exactly cant he cry 'poor mouth'?

Ok, his current contract hasnt been honoured but its greedy players like him who partly have the league in the mess it is in.

He is a snake who sold out to Dublin for a bob extra. Cork should never of took him back. If a Rovers player who we had brought through and given a chance too fecked off for a few quid more to Cork Id be disgusted and wouldnt ever want to see him back.

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