Is it time the players woke up to the situation?

**pineapple stu** · 10/10/2008, 12:35 PM

No, because all clubs are different.

Clubs individually should agree on a wage budget. But that's highly unambitious.

**Dodge** · 10/10/2008, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by don ramo

245,469 EUR avearage championship wage

85,156 EUR average league 1 wage

62,615 EUR average league 2 wage

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/4898392.stm

even in england there to unrealistic, so i cant see an end to the problem,

And that was 2 years ago, it has shot up since then. I know a guy who hasn't played first team football in England who "earns" 10k sterling a week witha championship side

**John83** · 10/10/2008, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by neutrino

Cant blame players for getting the best deal - it's not for them to worry where the money comes from.

I agree.

It seems that no club in the league can do basic financial management...

That's not fair. Shamrock Rovers have been run on a tight ship since their fans took over. UCD are run at breakeven. Bray seem to be in okay shape. There are clubs living within their means.

**A face** · 10/10/2008, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

As above, none of the players are to blame.

Who is responsible for the books in each club? Who signed the cheques and gave the go ahead for the contracts? Who decided on the figures to pay players?

In Cork Citys case it was Aidan Tynan who was responsible, he was previously involved in more scandal with Bord na cCon in 2006. I looks like he is free to walk to third sporting organisation in Ireland to reek more havoc with them now. The guy just keeps getting away with it.

**jebus** · 10/10/2008, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by A face

Who is responsible for the books in each club? Who signed the cheques and gave the go ahead for the contracts? Who decided on the figures to pay players?

If the answer to this turns out to be Peter Ridsdale in disguise

**don ramo** · 10/10/2008, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by John83

That's not fair. Shamrock Rovers have been run on a tight ship since their fans took over. UCD are run at breakeven. Bray seem to be in okay shape. There are clubs living within their means.

ya these club deserve to be in the prem any club that spends within there means deserves to be in the prem, no point being good on the pitch if your ****e off it, clubs simply have to get in line and put the foot down and not grovel, im not saying players dont deserve to be on so much, its an industrial standard wage i suppose, but most clubs, simply put, are not in a poistion to pay the wages the player expect, so theyll just have to accept it or go foreign,

i thought the FAI were on about educational advantages for playing with a LOI club, like the rugby, as you play full time, the club will put you through coledge so that when your finnished playing you have a career set to go, surely that would be an acceptable propostion for lower wages,

**jebus** · 10/10/2008, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by John83

That's not fair. Shamrock Rovers have been run on a tight ship since their fans took over. UCD are run at breakeven. Bray seem to be in okay shape. There are clubs living within their means.

Add Limerick and Wexford to that list, I think Dundalk are in okay financial shape as well, one of their fans might be able to verify that

**Dodge** · 10/10/2008, 1:00 PM

Originally Posted by don ramo

i thought the FAI were on about educational advantages for playing with a LOI club, like the rugby, as you play full time, the club will put you through coledge so that when your finnished playing you have a career set to go, surely that would be an acceptable propostion for lower wages,

For some. Most will laught it out of the room

**John83** · 10/10/2008, 1:01 PM

Sure. I didn't mean to imply that the clubs I mentioned were the only ones doing okay. I've seen Wexford's 2007 accounts, and they seem fine. I haven't really heard anything about Limerick or Dundalk, though a few people have mentioned Limerick as being well run right now.

**jebus** · 10/10/2008, 1:09 PM

Originally Posted by John83

Sure. I didn't mean to imply that the clubs I mentioned were the only ones doing okay. I've seen Wexford's 2007 accounts, and they seem fine. I haven't really heard anything about Limerick or Dundalk, though a few people have mentioned Limerick as being well run right now.

So if all goes to plan we'll have a Premier League next year of UCD, Bray, Rovers, Limerick, Dundalk and Wexford with 4 others?

**jinxy lilywhite** · 10/10/2008, 1:17 PM

Originally Posted by John83

Sure. I didn't mean to imply that the clubs I mentioned were the only ones doing okay. I've seen Wexford's 2007 accounts, and they seem fine. I haven't really heard anything about Limerick or Dundalk, though a few people have mentioned Limerick as being well run right now.

as far as we are made to believe we are ok and running at b/e or profit. But we are a private company and we have to take our chairmans word on it. Personally no financial news from dundalk is good news and i have no reason to disbelieve our chairman. From the outside eveything looks good

**higgins** · 10/10/2008, 2:54 PM

Originally Posted by Trainee

All clubs should sit down and agree on a cap on the amount a player is paid weekly ie all clubs agree that that they will not pay a player more than 1000 euro a week

Not really fair is it ?

I mean say Shels had millions in the bank and so did Finn Harps.
If Shels and Harps offer the best player in the league a job do you think he'd run off to Donegal ?

Your wage cap would kill the country teams.

Assuming they could afford the 1000 clubs like Bohs Shels Cork Pats Rovers etc would always have their pick of the best players.

My solution to this problem is to begin hitting teams on their infastructure,, force them into spending on their grounds so players wages can't 99% of where funds go to.

Our grounds are a joke.
The FAI should simply not award clubs like Drogheda a licence as they have not got a decent ground. For example had they invested in increasing the capacity over the last few years they wouldn't be left with only 2000 on Friday for a league winning game when they are short of cash!

**Magicme** · 10/10/2008, 3:09 PM

I know that we lost out on some good players this season as they were offered more money from other clubs when they were signing. They have since had to take pay cuts and are now on not much more or maybe nothing more than they would have gotten here. Our manager is given a budget, he has to stick to it and if a player pushes for more than our manager can afford to give him he is told to go get it somewhere else.

So essentially, our team suffers because players are told they are going to get bigger wages elsewhere but then those clubs cant afford to pay them and they are in reality no better off.

You can add us to the list of clubs working with our means so will see you in the Premier next year Dundalk!

**jinxy lilywhite** · 10/10/2008, 3:12 PM

Originally Posted by Magicme

I know that we lost out on some good players this season as they were offered more money from other clubs when they were signing. They have since had to take pay cuts and are now on not much more or maybe nothing more than they would have gotten here. Our manager is given a budget, he has to stick to it and if a player pushes for more than our manager can afford to give him he is told to go get it somewhere else.

So essentially, our team suffers because players are told they are going to get bigger wages elsewhere but then those clubs cant afford to pay them and they are in reality no better off.

You can add us to the list of clubs working with our means so will see you in the Premier next year Dundalk!

Don't say that magicme. Can i not have a season where I don't have to go to the KCP. Oh please jesus, buddha and alllah please don't promote Monaghan. I'll do anything.

**Magicme** · 10/10/2008, 3:14 PM

Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite

Don't say that magicme. Can i not have a season where I don't have to go to the KCP. Oh please jesus, buddha and alllah please don't promote Monaghan. I'll do anything.

I think you are safe enough. Only way you will see us again next year is if you stuff it up yourselves or we get drawn in one of the cups again.

Am kinda sick of Oriel myself so although it goes against all that is holy, I am kinda hoping you get promoted!

**jinxy lilywhite** · 10/10/2008, 3:18 PM

Originally Posted by Magicme

I think you are safe enough. Only way you will see us again next year is if you stuff it up yourselves or we get drawn in one of the cups again.

Am kinda sick of Oriel myself so although it goes against all that is holy, I am kinda hoping you get promoted!

& I wish Monaghan self sustainability

**Magicme** · 10/10/2008, 3:21 PM

Is this what they call a "truce"???

Thanks Jinxy, you may find it hard to believe but I was very annoyed at the prospect of yourselves going bust a few seasons ago, mainly coz I liked when we would beat you at KCP but also coz I hate to see any clubs in trouble so in these troubled times that is the best wish you could have for any club.

**oldyouth** · 10/10/2008, 3:26 PM

It's very possible that next year we will have a top tier of perhaps 16 financially sound clubs from the 2 divisions(which would have a vast difference in ability to compete) and a 2nd tier from the remainder/A Championship teams.

Obviously the distinction between divisions should reflect footballing ability but I fear that is quickly becoming unachievable.

**sadloserkid** · 10/10/2008, 3:36 PM

The blame is 100% with the clubs.

And regarding our own situation we've done fine this year and have kept our expenditure to a minimum (sight seeing trips to see what are apparantly the finest two pitches in the country notwithstanding) we'd be no better off than the Longfords or Kildares of this world were it not for Chairman McCarthy (we'd obviously still have a few more fans than Kildare). While I'm pleased that it looks like we'll manage a full season without a public financial crisis my natural pessimism isn't allowing me to get carried away just yet.