Keith Fahey

[Greenbod]

Replace "country" with "local club" and you might have a better understanding of TonyDs pov.

I replaced it and still don't understand his pov.

..You can support club and country, they're not mutually exclusive.

[Greenbod]

In partial defence to at least one aspect of YI's stance I have to say how much I resent the term barstooler and it's a phrase that some LOI posters here seem to think is appropriate to apply to anyone who doesn't go to live games regularly.

I live in the UK and despite my love for football I rarely watch live football here. For a start it's appalling value for money in my opinion. I have 2 young kids and I'm loathe to take 4-5 hours out on a Saturday (that's pretty much what it'd take including travel time etc.) when I have family responsibilities. I used to watch LOI footy regularly, Budweiser Cup (University football) and played both LSL and AUL (lower divisions) for years. These days the only live football that excites me is Ireland, a game in UK featuring Irish players worth getting a close look at or midweek Arsenal CL games when I was able to go on way home from work.

I watch 99% of my football on TV these days and am happy to stand by any judgment I make on that basis. To be called a barstooler like I'm some form of inferior football enthusiast is insulting. I may not be a "fan" in that I'm no longer devoted to one team and one team only as I now have a broader interest in the game. I'm sure others here feel the same affront.

I agree..........and can I add in defence of Barstools....they can be pretty great places to sit!

[soccerc]

In partial defence to at least one aspect of YI's stance I have to say how much I resent the term barstooler and it's a phrase that some LOI posters here seem to think is appropriate to apply to anyone who doesn't go to live games regularly.

Come on Stutts, you know very well the term barstooler applies to a very particular type of fan, just like the application of the word taliban to a different set of supporters - both can be appropriate terms, but I would suggest they are not blanket terms.

[Stuttgart88]

yeah, but it was first time I heard the term from that particular poster and wanted to set the record straight, certainly for me and I'm sure for quite a few others.

Anyway, Mrs. Stuttgart has just said I have to go out to watch Clelsea v Barcelona tonight. Looks like a barstool is the place for me...

[Dodge]

In partial defence to at least one aspect of YI's stance I have to say how much I resent the term barstooler

Well it isn't a term of endearment

As you don't support an English club team exclusively, it wouldn't apply to you

[richieos]

anyone who thinks keith fahey cant or shouldnt succeed in english football just need to look at kevin doyle. he wasnt even one of cork city's top players as far as i understand.
and as for critisim of the league of ireland or the national team, the fact is, its one game, were all irish, and we should support anyone who plays football in ireland or abroad, it makes no difference, they are all irish at the end of the day.

[eirebhoy]

Therefore, the facts are: McCann played almost three times as many games as Fahey but only scored twice as many despite being an attacking midfielder and is only five years younger than Keith

Just to say I definitely wouldn't class McCann as an attacking midfielder. Very much a box to box player from what I've seen and intelligent defensively.

[topia]

In partial defence to at least one aspect of YI's stance I have to say how much I resent the term barstooler and it's a phrase that some LOI posters here seem to think is appropriate to apply to anyone who doesn't go to live games regularly.

I live in the UK and despite my love for football I rarely watch live football here. For a start it's appalling value for money in my opinion. I have 2 young kids and I'm loathe to take 4-5 hours out on a Saturday (that's pretty much what it'd take including travel time etc.) when I have family responsibilities. I used to watch LOI footy regularly, Budweiser Cup (University football) and played both LSL and AUL (lower divisions) for years. These days the only live football that excites me is Ireland, a game in UK featuring Irish players worth getting a close look at or midweek Arsenal CL games when I was able to go on way home from work.

I watch 99% of my football on TV these days and am happy to stand by any judgment I make on that basis. To be called a barstooler like I'm some form of inferior football enthusiast is insulting. I may not be a "fan" in that I'm no longer devoted to one team and one team only as I now have a broader interest in the game. I'm sure others here feel the same affront.

To be honest, the term barstooler is mostly applied to the type of person who watches Man Utd/Liverpool on TV, believes that they are an avid Man Utd/Liverpool fan and looks down on or mocks a LOI fan despite the fact that the have never even experienced a LOI game

[eirebhoy]

Did you also believe Roy O'Donovan was going to be the next Thierry Henry a couple of seasons ago? Drag up the thread where I showed my misgivings about him and you can state how brilliant he's turned out to be while your looking through old posts claiming how knowledgable you are. I recall similar threads about Jason Byrne, Alan Bennett, George O'Callaghan, Daryl Murphy but I suppose the laws of probablility suggest you'll eventually get something right though I'm yet to be convinced it's your inflated opinion on Fahey relative to one of the best young midfielders in one of the best teams in the Championship.

I think Fahey was seen on a different level to any of the above players. I actually think a lot of our players just aren't suited to the English championship. It's probably the fastest league in the world if some of the games I've seen are anything to go by. Players don't get a second on the ball. I'm actually surprised a player like Fahey settled in so well.

[geysir]

I had a look at some of the LOI games on RTE, time and space are in short supply.
Considering the gulf in resources, the Championship is not that much better.
The LOI clubs that do spend a bit and achieve a very decent standard, do so on borrowed money, then it falls down when it comes time to pay the bills.

It's funny that as if by some mysterious force the English commentator can manage to pronounce an R, but only when they see a H and a Y -- Farhee

[paul_oshea]

To be honest, the term barstooler is mostly applied to the type of person who watches Man Utd/Liverpool on TV, believes that they are an avid Man Utd/Liverpool fan and looks down on or mocks a LOI fan despite the fact that the have never even experienced a LOI game

Yes which is what Ive called what LOI fans have before, inverted snobbery.

[paul_oshea]

I had a look at some of the LOI games on RTE, time and space are in short supply.
Considering the gulf in resources, the Championship is not that much better.
The LOI clubs that do spend a bit and achieve a very decent standard, do so on borrowed money, then it falls down when it comes time to pay the bills.

It's funny that as if by some mysterious force the English commentator can manage to pronounce an R, but only when they see a H and a Y -- Farhee

You know the jonathan Woss problem, a lot of english people grow up not learning how to pronounce R correctly. Seriouslly, next time yer chatting to one(well southerners anyway) ask them to say "room" it has an uncanny resemblence to the word "womb", its the same with "gh" or "ath", which is pronounced "uf" and "af" respectively.

[topia]

Yes which is what Ive called what LOI fans have before, inverted snobbery.

To be honest i doubt anyone cares what you call it, LOI fans in general have a sense of pride in their team and dont particularly like to be slagged by someone who has never even been yet feels the need to comment, its hardly a very offensive term anyway.

[youngirish]

To be honest, the term barstooler is mostly applied to the type of person who watches Man Utd/Liverpool on TV, believes that they are an avid Man Utd/Liverpool fan and looks down on or mocks a LOI fan despite the fact that the have never even experienced a LOI game

Or alternatively when someone disagrees with the current LOI clique party line as is the case for me as I don't support any English club and have been to both Tolka Park and Dalymount a number of times in the past even if it hasn't been for a long time now.

I only watch English games on television if potential or actual Irish International players are playing.

[topia]

Or alternatively when someone disagrees with the current LOI clique party line as is the case for me as I don't support any English club and have been to both Tolka Park and Dalymount a number of times in the past even if it hasn't been for a long time now.

I only watch English games on television if potential or actual Irish International players are playing.

although you dont support an english team you still more or less compared the LOI to sunday league teams despite admitting that you havent been in a long time

[Dodge]

Yes which is what Ive called what LOI fans have before, inverted snobbery.

Its not inverted.

[paul_oshea]

Its not inverted.

It is, when viewed from the outside

[NeilMcD]

Where you watch your football whether that be an LOI ground or a barstool or an English Premiership ground or your couch does not impact on your knowledge of football etc. What it does do is it impacts on your knowledge of what it is like to support a team. Whether that is important while discussing the merits of a footballer is doubtfull.

[joema]

Where you watch your football whether that be an LOI ground or a barstool or an English Premiership ground or your couch does not impact on your knowledge of football etc.

Are you having a laugh?

There is a significant difference in watching a match on the telly and being at the actual ground.

[paul_oshea]

Where you watch your football whether that be an LOI ground or a barstool or an English Premiership ground or your couch does not impact on your knowledge of football etc. What it does do is it impacts on your knowledge of what it is like to support a team. Whether that is important while discussing the merits of a footballer is doubtfull.

well said that man, i attend about 10 matches a year over here(prem and 1st division), different teams, different levels, and I would actually say seeing this level you would be more informed of the quality of a player than watching a LOI player, simply because if thats all you have seen you definitely don't know what level is required for anything higher than that.....especially international.