PC: Roy Keane - Patrick Viera

**Pike B** · 25/09/2008, 10:39 AM

Dodge: Probably because Zidane played with Vieira?

I've seen Zizou in interviews speak of his team mates. He held Makelele in higher regard than Viera!!

**Dodge** · 25/09/2008, 10:41 AM

Any links?

**Pike B** · 25/09/2008, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Any links?

Not sure. It was an interview I seen on Eurosport awhile back. Around the time of one of those charity games they show.

**Stevo Da Gull** · 25/09/2008, 1:47 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

superfrank - who's career did Keane end? It certainly wasn't Haaland if that's what you're getting at.

Haaland required 2 surgeries on because of Keane's tackle and still his knee kept swelling, he only played a handfull of games after the tackle, so I certainly don't believe that Haaland ever recovered 100%, and lets presume that he did - does this make a difference? Keane intentionally tried to finish Haaland's career.

Are you actually trying to defend Roy Keane's evil attempt to end someones career or are you just pointing out that Haaland was able to play a few more matches after the incident?

Anyhow we shouldn't linger on this issue for two long, as shocking as the incident was, it shouldn't sideline us from the debate at hand. I'll not disallow the discussion though, as some people may take character into account when choosing between the two.

**Stevo Da Gull** · 25/09/2008, 1:52 PM

Not to worry Pike and Dodge, we can do a Makalele-Viera poll as well

There is a good chance, as gustavo hinted, that Viera will add to his trophy collection. But Keane seems to be running away with this anyway.

**DmanDmythDledge** · 25/09/2008, 1:57 PM

Almost certain this but I'm almost sure that the serious knee injury that forced him to retire was not the knee Keane injured.

**Macy** · 25/09/2008, 1:59 PM

Originally Posted by Stevo Da Gull

Are you actually trying to defend Roy Keane's evil attempt to end someones career or are you just pointing out that Haaland was able to play a few more matches after the incident?

I've no problem with anyone kicking some mouthy blue untc, but that's just me.

Of course, you ignore the fact that Haalands knee was fooked before Keane got anywhere near him, hence why he might have been bleating (wohoo another pun) to the press about that tackle finishing his career (only once the book was published mind) he didn't feel able to take it to court for a balance of probabilities decision.

**Stevo Da Gull** · 25/09/2008, 2:03 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

I've no problem with anyone kicking some mouthy blue untc, but that's just me.

Of course, you ignore the fact that Haalands knee was fooked before Keane got anywhere near him, hence why he might have been bleating (wohoo another pun) to the press about that tackle finishing his career (only once the book was published mind) he didn't feel able to take it to court for a balance of probabilities decision.

Ah I was just checking, I see you have no problem with someone trying to end someones career then (if it is true that Haaland already had knee problems then you could argue that this makes an intentional knee-high tackle even more shocking).

**Macy** · 25/09/2008, 2:19 PM

If I had a problem with footballers kicking other footballers I may as well give up. I thought Keane denied ever saying he went out to end his career and Dunphy admitted it was his interpretation, but hey, just ignore that as well if it doesn't fit in with what you choose to believe.

**Stevo Da Gull** · 25/09/2008, 2:21 PM

Me thinks we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

**Dodge** · 25/09/2008, 3:52 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

Of course, you ignore the fact that Haalands knee was fooked before Keane got anywhere near him, hence why he might have been bleating (wohoo another pun) to the press about that tackle finishing his career (only once the book was published mind) he didn't feel able to take it to court for a balance of probabilities decision.

If that was the case, the kick should've put his knee back right again. UNless the Simpsosn lied to me (and they haven't let me down before)

**jinxy lilywhite** · 25/09/2008, 4:10 PM

Went for Keane on this one. As much as a great player Vieria was he always seemed to me to be a bit of a crier.

Have to say I loved the Keane quote about Vieria doing charity work in Senegal "If he loves Senegal so much then why is he playing for France!"

**Dodge** · 25/09/2008, 4:14 PM

Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite

Went for Keane on this one. As much as a great player Vieria was he always seemed to me to be a bit of a crier.

Have to say I loved the Keane quote about Vieria doing charity work in Senegal "If he loves Senegal so much then why is he playing for France!"

Don't suppose you heard the Vieira reply then?

**John83** · 25/09/2008, 4:34 PM

Originally Posted by Bluebeard

Vieira, on the basis of the fact that he hasn't managed to split France.

You know who else split France?*

On a side note, I thought that Keane was suspended for the CL final in 1999 - am I incorrect in this?

He was. What's the context? Zidane faced him in the semi-final, if someone's brought that up.

*No point, really, just Godwining the thread.

**jinxy lilywhite** · 25/09/2008, 4:38 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Don't suppose you heard the Vieira reply then?

For the life of me Dodge I can't remember. Sonething about he didn't understand the politics in Africa.

**gustavo** · 25/09/2008, 6:54 PM

http://www.rte.ie/sport/2005/0517/keane.html

Now Vieira has hit back, questioning Keane's commitment to Ireland after the infamous Saipan row with then manager Mick McCarthy. "For someone who leaves his team in the World Cup, I think he should keep this kind of remark to himself," he said.

"He does not know my background and I do not want him to make a comment like that because he is not in a good position to say something like that. He walked away from his national team when they really needed him."

"I have nothing to prove to him, I have nothing to prove to him. He is not from Senegal, he is not from Africa, he will not understand. So it is better for him to look after himself and what he's doing," the Arsenal skipper added.

"Even saying what I have just said does not take away the respect I have for him as a player. When I came to England he was the one I was looking forward to playing against because he is the best in the business in his position. I have big respect for him."

**sadloserkid** · 25/09/2008, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by gilberto_eire

I think since Keane's Irish it will never be an impartial vote....

I tried to call it fairly, and went for Viera... a great defensive midfielder who could also mix it up going forward!

On some levels it bothers me when I'm 100% in agreement with gilberto.

**gustavo** · 26/09/2008, 9:09 AM

I went for Keane, Had a towering influence over all the teams he played with , A great leader , Fantastic off and and on the ball and from around 92-95 chipped in with his fair share of goals for his team , Vieira is a superb player and the best compliment I can pay him is that there isnt much between them

**Bluebeard** · 26/09/2008, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by John83

He was. What's the context? Zidane faced him in the semi-final, if someone's brought that up.

It was just that it was listed in his achievements that he won it. (I know, to all intents and purposes, he did x amount of the donkeywork to get there, but I didn't think you got medals if you didn't appear in the final, even on the bench)

Originally Posted by John83

You know who else split France?*

*No point, really, just Godwining the thread.

**drinkfeckarse** · 26/09/2008, 10:33 AM

Keane simply for his ability to get the players around them to lift their game. Viera was outstanding but I didn't feel he had Keane's aura or knack of getting his team over the finishing line whether they liked it or not.