Delaney Out!

[John83]

According to the OP Delaney was asked about objectives up until the end of his contract. What could be an achievable goal for the LOI in the next 4 years?

The complete, total and utter destruction of Kildare County.

[A face]

The complete, total and utter destruction of Kildare County.

The whole county? What would you put there instead, a lake of some sorts i suppose?

[the-blue-harp]

Ok,fair points but i STILL think he could have mentioned it.Its like hes not even thinking about it,and when hes not then why should we.I love this league as crazy as that sounds and i know you all do too but i just want some ambition,especially from our top dogs.

i agree with that. your talking about priorities. while there has been improvements in enforcing fines!! as well as the CPO idea to help clubs run themselves effiecently, which prob just came a little late, there is so much that could be tackled in the league in the short term that would help it in the long term.... refereeing standards need to be addressed pronto.
a new marketing campaign needs to be in place, fai need to press the issue with rte and also address the irish newspapers. its hard to sell something when you dont believe in it yourself, and i dont believe the fai believes in the league.

[John83]

The whole county? What would you put there instead, a lake of some sorts i suppose?

How long is it since Dublin last added a substantial reservoir? It's no wonder that ten consecutive days without rain triggers water conservation ads here. Fortunately, it's a rare occurrence.

[stann]

The Staunton thing was a disaster, but it's in the past now and we're moving forward.

Let's look at Delaneys "achievements"
he appointed Stan and set the international team back about 5 years by doing so.

I don't want to become an apologist for the chap but I too think it's high time we let this go. Yes it was a fiasco but without it we wouldn't have Trappatoni now, and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.

[SalvadorSanchez]

I don't want to become an apologist for the chap but I too think it's high time we let this go. Yes it was a fiasco but without it we wouldn't have Trappatoni now, and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.

how do you figure that?

Delaney sacked Brian Kerr and said that we were going to get a top international manager with experience at the highest level and then appointed......Stan.
it doesn't follow that the disasterous appointment of Staunton directly lead to Trappatonis appointment.... we should have gotten Trap after Kerr. He also almost b*llsed up appointing Trap as well... how long did that take.... Sorry but JD has made too many mistakes in his time and I'll bet there's more to come...

[stann]

Agreed, and them having season tickets at english clubs and not be seen all year at LOI games is enough to have them stand down in my opinion (a bit harsh i know but need to make examples of people imo). If they are not up to the job then they should step aside and leave it to someone who is.

Face that's just not true that he's not been seen all year at LOI games, I've just told you he was at the Blues game at the weekend, I said hello to the chap. He's been at several this season in fact.
I love that 'make an example' too. Who's going to make an example of him, and to whom? Who has the right to make such a punishment? Not you. You make me laugh with your obsessional dislike of the man. No balance there at all, so no point in discussing it.

well care to elaborate then at how Delaney has been great for irish football

and spare us the empty platitudes, etc

First off I never said great for Irish football. I never mentioned Irish football at all. As people have said previously there's a lot more to Irish football than the eircom League.
What I said was, and you highlighted it yourself so I thought you might remember: "like him or loathe him there is no doubt he has done better by the league than a large number of his predecessors."
This is absolutely true, there is no room for opinion here. But you rubbished it so why don't you elaborate?

I'll give you three examples to start you off.
- The licencing, despite putting many clubs to the pin of their collars at present, is a good thing, and slowly will drag clubs into the late 20th Century at least.
- The U-20 league and A-Championships are also a good move. The one as a solely young player development league, the other as what I think (and hope) will eventually become a viable second tier under a 16 or 18 team Premier Division.
- Limerick 37 have a lot to be thankful to Delaney for. He also tried to bale Kilkenny out with the same investor, but was not taken up on it.

As pete pointed out, the quotes were in response to a question about his aims up to the end of his contract.

[stann]

how do you figure that?

Delaney sacked Brian Kerr and said that we were going to get a top international manager with experience at the highest level and then appointed......Stan.
it doesn't follow that the disasterous appointment of Staunton directly lead to Trappatonis appointment.... we should have gotten Trap after Kerr. He also almost b*llsed up appointing Trap as well... how long did that take.... Sorry but JD has made too many mistakes in his time and I'll bet there's more to come...

We wouldn't have got Trappatoni after Kerr though, it wouldn't have even been concieved of as something we could do. Because without the Stan fiasco O'Brien wouldn't have rowed in with the cash to help get someone like Trap, he'd have remained way out of our price range.
If we didn't get Stan that time we'd have got another reasonably average manager who wouldn't have got us hammered by Cyprus, and who may well still be in charge, bowling along nicely finishing third in things.
I'm not suggesting for a second that it was some sort of cunning master plan, just how I see it having played out. I should, of course, have put an IMO after the 'deluded'.
Not arguing with that last point, but that wasn't the issue.

Oh, and just to let you know, Mr Staunton has nothing to do with my username.

[bennocelt]

Face that's just not true that he's not been seen all year at LOI games, I've just told you he was at the Blues game at the weekend, I said hello to the chap. He's been at several this season in fact.

First off I never said great for Irish football. I never mentioned Irish football at all. As people have said previously there's a lot more to Irish football than the eircom League.
What I said was, and you highlighted it yourself so I thought you might remember: "like him or loathe him there is no doubt he has done better by the league than a large number of his predecessors."
This is absolutely true, there is no room for opinion here. But you rubbished it so why don't you elaborate?

I'll give you three examples to start you off.
- The licensing, despite putting many clubs to the pin of their collars at present, is a good thing, and slowly will drag clubs into the late 20th Century at least.
- The U-20 league and A-Championships are also a good move. The one as a solely young player development league, the other as what I think (and hope) will eventually become a viable second tier under a 16 or 18 team Premier Division.
- Limerick 37 have a lot to be thankful to Delaney for. He also tried to bale Kilkenny out with the same investor, but was not taken up on it.
.

i reckon you work for FAI, definitely, Come on - come clean


Wrong - The LOI is of huge importance to Irish football, of course it is. How many of the new players progressed from Irish football - a lot, and more to come. Ignore it at your peril

i rubbished it to highlight your nonsense - The FAI have and ARE rubbish, always and never ending.

The UEFA licensing is a joke. Few countries signed upto it, and it hasnt worked, so whats your point here?

The underage set-up; Man you give Delaney credit for underage football!! The FAI has underage comps and leagues set up for yonks, its nothing new.

How many LOI teams have gone - kilkenny? Dublin City?
How many will survive?
Is the LOI looked after well enough under the FAI? No, of course not.

[KevB76]

How many LOI teams have gone - kilkenny? Dublin City?

Kilkenny are still in existence and still have LOI status for whatever its worth.

Dublin City - werent they gone beofre the FAI took charge of the league ?

I'm with Stann on this one, from what I've seen and heard surrounding the rescue of Limerick FC* from extinction at the end of last season, I have no doubt that the FAI and Delaney in particular have the best interests of the league at heart.

* conveniently ignoring the fact we'd probably still have Danny Drew's version if the FAI hadn't killed it off !

[A face]

Face that's just not true that he's not been seen all year at LOI games, I've just told you he was at the Blues game at the weekend, I said hello to the chap. He's been at several this season in fact.
I love that 'make an example' too. Who's going to make an example of him, and to whom? Who has the right to make such a punishment? Not you. You make me laugh with your obsessional dislike of the man. No balance there at all, so no point in discussing it.

Did i single out Delaney? Did you read my post properly? Do you need to read it again? Do you need as assistance in reading it?

[pete]

The complete, total and utter destruction of Kildare County.

Not sure if that is really under the remit of the FAI but sign me up. I am still bitter about years of driving through the hell holes of Monasterevin & Kildare Town pre motorway.

[stann]

Right, firstly:

Whatever about who is to blame historically, it is unthinkable that the head of a national association would not have as a priority the development of his country's domestic game.

To which you replied:

Agreed, and them having season tickets at english clubs and not be seen all year at LOI games is enough to have them stand down in my opinion.

Now as far as I'm aware our national association has only one head, so, yeah, I'd say you pretty much did single him out.
Whether you meant to is another thing, I can only go on what you write. Perhaps you need assistance with composition?

[stann]

Nothing to do with the FAI, sorry. And to be honest, since you consistently ignore what I post just so you can get digs in, this is the last you'll hear of it from me. And me from you.

Wrong - The LOI is of huge importance to Irish football, of course it is. How many of the new players progressed from Irish football - a lot, and more to come. Ignore it at your peril

I didn't say it wasn't, why would I? I said there's a lot more to Irish football than the eL. Again you highlighted it and again got it wrong. And I don't mean the international teams as you assumed, I mean the junior leagues, schoolboy and women's clubs, the whole shooting match that the FAI govern.

The UEFA licensing is a joke. Few countries signed upto it, and it hasnt worked, so whats your point here?

I think it will work in time, it may be painful, perhaps fatal to some clubs, but it will eventually work. You don't. Fair enough. Things couldn't have went on as they were going. At least it's something they tried. See below.

The underage set-up; Man you give Delaney credit for underage football!! The FAI has underage comps and leagues set up for yonks, its nothing new.

Again, never said that either, I mentioned the new U-20 league, which as far as I'm aware IS new this season. Maybe you know better.

i rubbished it to highlight your nonsense - The FAI have and ARE rubbish, always and never ending.

Is the LOI looked after well enough under the FAI? No, of course not.

Don't necessarily disagree with either of those, never have.
But what I said from the start, that you insist on missing is that Delaney has done better by the league than most of his predecessors, has tried out a few new things, or at least overseen the trying out of them, and seems to want to slowly sort things out. Whether it's enough, or quick enough, is not the point as it's not what I said.

[TonyD]

Removing Delaney suggests that it will fix all our problems - it is like a political party looking for new leader without looking at policies. The FAI needs stability & Delaney is the best option right now. The FAI is a much better run organisation especially commercially. He can be blamed for Staunton appointment not not necessarily the results but it also time to move on.

The Uefa Cup final is easily attainable & short of riots on the streets a good PR coup for the FAI as would give considerable exposure.

In fairness, much of the instability of the recent past can be traced back to the same Delaney beavering away in the background undermining the last few CEO's so he could have the job for himself. That's my main problem with the guy to be honest. His main project seems to me to be to promote the cause of John Delaney. I'd imagine that he has his sights set on a prime job in UEFA eventually, which I'm sure getting the UEFA final to Landsdowne couldn't hurt.

Having said that I wouldn't particularly knock him for what he's done for the League(judged against the others who've held his post in the recent past), though obviously I'd want the FAI to do more. As far as I'm concerned improving the League should be priority no 1 for the FAI. Any football country worth it's salt should have a strong domestic league as it's backbone. What's the point in developing schoolboys otherwise, to send them all off to England, where 80/90% of them will be sent back home branded failures ? The option of playing in a strong domestice league would make a huge difference to these 19 & 20 year olds.

[stann]

Having said that I wouldn't particularly knock him for what he's done for the League(judged against the others who've held his post in the recent past),

Spot on.

though obviously I'd want the FAI to do more. As far as I'm concerned improving the League should be priority no 1 for the FAI. Any football country worth it's salt should have a strong domestic league as it's backbone. What's the point in developing schoolboys otherwise, to send them all off to England, where 80/90% of them will be sent back home branded failures ? The option of playing in a strong domestice league would make a huge difference to these 19 & 20 year olds.

Would agree with much of that too, though with the caveat that the way things have evolved here over the years is a very special and unusual case compared to other countries. I'd say the biggest problem you'd face with that is convincing the players themselves (and their mentors) that they'd be better off staying here.

[corkboy360]

Get him out hes a clown and looks like doogle

[CuanaD]

Delaney out?
I just can't believe it!



No self respecting gay would ever have THAT hair cut!

[A face]

Agreed, and them having season tickets at english clubs and not be seen all year at LOI games is enough to have them stand down in my opinion.

Now as far as I'm aware our national association has only one head, so, yeah, I'd say you pretty much did single him out.

Singled him out even though 'them' refers to more than one, plural if you like. Oh dear !!

Perhaps you need assistance with composition?

Nah you're alright, thats great thanks cheers !!

[Straightstory]

I think Delaney does work hard, but his priority should be to do something to the save the league, which is dying a slow death. A country's league is far more important than it's national team. As for the UEFA Cup Final in Lansdowne - that's just vanity on his part.