Thanks.Originally Posted by Réiteoir
Oh Yeah, just because a few League Of Ireland fans have an opinion or a view on something on here means that we all think the sameWe all know each other and meet up every week to think of a new way of fighting against non-LOI fans
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I have nerver heard the above IRA chant at a match.
Not sure what prog you are referring to. I'd be interested to watch it. Any link?I've no doubt many decent Celtic supporters do frown upion such songs. I know some that do.
The Panorama programme (probably on youtube somewhere I'm sure you know the one) didn't show any evidence of such songs being shouted down.
We are not going to agree on this so no point going down this road, but for the record i do consider UVF and UDA chants to be sectarian because their sole raison d'etre was to terrorise the Catholic community. You may argue that the IRA carried out sectarian attackes but i don't agree.The IRA/UDA/UVF committed many sectarian atrocities. They killed people because of their religion eg Kingsmills, La Mon, Shankhill Road, Enniskillen by the IRA. Greysteel, Loughinisland et al by the Loyalist terrorists. Although each organisation claimed to be non sectarian few in the other community ever believed them. Even the Klan claim not to be racist however not too many believe them either. How wide a definition of sectarianism would you need to include such organisations?
Do you consider "UVF and UDA" chants to be sectarian?
For the record i have seen idiotic Celtic supporteres in pubs etc chanting IRA slogans but never at matches. Subtle difference to the Rangers fans but anyway i'll leave it at that.
"Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy which sustained him through temporary periods of joy."
Programme here
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ma/4284023.stm
I think you ar eplaying with words. both clubs have all but edadicated the sectarian chanting from their home games. The problem still exists at away games.
So have you heard the Loyalist chants at matches then?
The minority of Rangers fans who sing UVF songs etc wil lclaim they are not sectarian because th eLoyalist terrorists were just trying to protect them from being overun by a papist state bullsh!t bullsh!t.
I'd love to hear your explanation of Kibngsmill. Not sectarian because the prods killed xyz first which of course wasn't sectarian because the taigs killed abc but ........
Mayo Boy are you serious? Celtic fans don't sing sectarian songs? Here's one I heard over in Glasgow at the end of last season
Who's that standing at the seaside
Who's that standing by the shore
It's Mountbatten and his wife
And she's paralyzed for life
And she won't support Rangers anymore
Wasn't sung in the ground but it was sung on the walk back into town after the Hibs game
Looks like you are doing summersaults, along with huge gaps of vision (blindness) in order for you continue to believe that this song is not offensive to the Irish community.
I often wonder where they would have been
If we hadn't have taken them in
Fed them and washed them
Thousands in Glasgow alone
From Ireland they came
Brought us nothing but trouble and shame
Well the famine is over
Why don't they go home?
The "They" used in the lyrics throughout refers to the Irish.
the roman catholic community is distinctly interlinked with the Irish emigrant community in Scotland. Prior to the famine there was less than 10 (yes less than one football team!!) roman catholics in the greater Glasgow region, by the turn of the century there was a couple of hundred thousand - all Irish emigrants and their descendants.
Scotland is distinct, to my knowledge to most (and perhaps all) european countries in that virtually all roman catholics born in the country are of Irish descent (excluding emigants of the last twenty years).
therefore in this instance to insult one is to insult the other - both are viewed as two sides of the same coin.
thankfully in Ireland (26 counties version anyway) i can't remember the last time i heard of someone wondering/enquiring if someone was catholic or protestant prior to engaging with them socially, economically or professionally.
To Scotland's shame the same cannot be said there - and this is almost exclusively as a result of negative emotions of the 'native' population resulting from the influx of Irish emigrants during and subsequent to the famine.
The paradox of Northern Irish protestants (most descended from Ulster Scots) claiming equal rights (as a minimun) over the six counties and the bitter disregard still held toward enforced migrants in the opposite direction is not lost on me.
Last edited by galwayhoop; 18/09/2008 at 4:05 PM.
Yes, i have heard that sung away from the ground and it's sick and disgusting but it is not sectarian. If we are going to talk about vile songs, fine, but just beacause a song is evil and vile doesnt make it sectarian or bigoted.
"Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy which sustained him through temporary periods of joy."
the roman catholic community is distinctly interlinked with the Irish emigrant community in Scotland. Prior to the famine there was less than 10 (yes less than one football team!!) roman catholics in the greater Glasgow region, by the turn of the century there was a couple of hundred thousand - all Irish emigrants and their descendants.
What Galway Hoop forgot to mention is that their were over a 100 anti Catholic organisations in Glasgow at the time. Celtic Hibs and Dundee Hibs were formed to give the Irish something to be proud as the Irish were treated as vermin by the native Scots.
It's a song that glorifies an attack on protestant British lord by a (supposedly)Catholic terrorist group, what's not sectarian about it?
How does the fact that idiotic Celtic fans sing sectarian songs celebrating violence make it inappropriate to register an objection to a dirge that taunts people of Irish extraction about the famine (henceforth to be described as, erm, 'an event').
It doesn't, and I never said it did
and finally - just to add my experience to the thread - back in the early part of this decade (could have been 2000) - I was in Oslo for a break to catch a couple of matches going on over there (one was a match which saw Valerenga promoted back to the Norwegian Premier) - the other was a Champions League match between Rosenborg and Celtic up in Trondheim.
Went up on a coach organised by the Norwegian Celtic SC (or whatever they were known as) - a 7 hour trip or so.
The only CD they had on for this entire journey was a collection of "songs" by a group called "Shebeen" - two of which were the SAM Song and "Go on Home British Soldiers" - both of which were sung heartily by the majority of the coach.
Let's just say - it wasn't personally the most comfortable of journeys for me tbh...
Kom Igen, FCK...
ah come on, you could get better examples that that - Enniskillen for one
Mountbatten wasn't killed cause he was a Protestant
So why are all these Celtic ditties you're citing relevant?
You have now quoted a different verse not previously quoted.
I never said the song wasn't offensive. I just said our government shouldn't have got involved.
You are still doing sommersaults
I have quoted another verse but from the same song ffs.
They = Irish , understand?. They rape their children, they spread their evil seed.
You wrote that the song was not offensive to Irish peopleI never said the song wasn't offensive.
"It is however offensive to Roman Catholics and not to Irish people per se"
When it is clearly offensive to Irish people.
And the Government did not get involved, the embassy got involved as they are almost mandated to do in such cases. Forward the letter to the proper authorities.I just said our government shouldn't have got involved.
We don't have an embassy in Scotland as it's not a country. It's inconceivable that a consulate or embassy would unilaterally protest to another government without consulting with the Department of Foreign Affairs. So yes, this was a government intervention.
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We have a consulate in Edinburgh.
A patriot is someone who knows how to hate his country properly.
Yeah, that was kinda my point. We have a consulate, not an embassy. The Irish Embassy in the UK is in the national capital, London.
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