Quotewrong, you get your facts right, or at least read a book on Irish historyOriginally Posted by Straightstory
Or even support an Irish team instead.
wrong, you get your facts right, or at least read a book on Irish history
Here's a verse, judge for yourself. By any criteria it's an insult to the Irish community in Britain. The irish Embassy was well within it's brief to highlight this to the relevant authorities.
'Now they raped and fondled their kids
That's what those perverts from the darkside did
And they swept it under the carpet
and Large John he hid
Their evils seeds have been sown
Cause they're not of our own
Well the famine is over
Why don't you go home?.
Can someone have a word, we dont want them home. Stay over there ffs
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
The earlier bit of the song seems far more offensive to me. It is however offensive to Roman Catholics and not to Irish people per se. There is a difference despite Kieran Westwood's claims.
Should the Polish government complain?
I still don't think our government should have got involved.
It is not offensive when the Irish are accused of raping our own children and spreading our evil seed? "From Ireland they came"
Do you need that spelt out any more?
Our government did not get involved. The Irish Embassy got involved.I still don't think our government should have got involved.
As I said, it is well within their brief to bring to the notice of relevant Anti Irish racism to the relevant British authorities.
Isn't that all right Pat
I don't know what that is about about.There is a difference despite Kieran Westwood's claims.
Should the Polish government complain?
If there is any act of racism committed in Ireland I would expect that anybody who brings it to the attention of the authorities should be commended for doing so.
I think the complaint has done exactly what those who sang the song intended it to get. They got a reaction. I think it should of been ignored and let them sing their little hate song. I believe these people should be given all the air time in the world so the rest of us can see how really stupid, singleminded and bigoted they are. Physically they aren't harming anyone and possibly the most sensitive of Irish folk would laugh this off. The only people they are shaming is the club of Rangers Fc and themselves. So in essence I don't really care what a few thousand scots say about Ireland cause they aren't worth a foot.ie thread being started on them
Long Live King Kenny
That about the size of it right there really.
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
My sentiments exactly!!! Ignore them and let them let themselves their club and community down!
Where are you getting the line "From Ireland they came"?
With you all the way on Westwood. But do you seriously think the song is about Poles?
I assume they were referring to the late Pope in Big John. I don't think the Polish government should be involved though.
Fans of 2 British football teams sing offensive songs about each other. One makes a derogatory reference to an event which happened here and suddenly our government is involves which associates our country with one of the teams.
Boys of the Old Brigade reefers to the War of Independence as i'm sure you well know so i don't see why you mention this.
You dont hear the ooh aah up the ra add ons much nowadays either and the tiny minority that sing it are usually shouted down. Even singing BOTOB at away games is now frowned on by a significant section of the Celtic support. The Rangers fans were singing the famine song en masse.
Also why do you think songs about the IRA are sectarian. I was never a supporter of the provos but i dont regard them as sectarian. Anyway your definition of sectarian is preety wide i'd imagine.
"Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy which sustained him through temporary periods of joy."
You assume wrong.
"Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy which sustained him through temporary periods of joy."
Is there a stupid statement of the month award??? WTF is this supposed to mean???
"Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy which sustained him through temporary periods of joy."
That's an interesting way of putting it. Your entry for euphemism of the century? What phraseology do holocaust deniers use?
Are you going to tell me who it refers to then?
Off topic, but interesting to note how quickly governments in all the G8 countries have rushed to the aid of stricken banks in the past few days in appearently blatant contradiction of the doctrine outlined above...
A patriot is someone who knows how to hate his country properly.
it refers to Jock Stein (whose actual first name was John) - according to a former Celtic Boys Club Chairman - in the early 1970s, young boys were abused by a youth coach at the club called James Torbett. Stein is reputeded to have known about this, personally kicked Torbett out of the club and as was the fashion in those days - not reported the matter to the authorities.
Hence the chant you sometimes used to hear "Big Jock Knew"
Kom Igen, FCK...
quotes from 2 posts combined.
You claimed I wouldn't be able to provide any. Now you talk about minorities and them being shouted down. I forgot "I I IRA btw" and of course "U U UDA" from the Rangers fans.
I've no doubt many decent Celtic supporters do frown upion such songs. I know some that do.
The Panorama programme (probably on youtube somewhere I'm sure you know the one) didn't show any evidence of such songs being shouted down.
The IRA/UDA/UVF committed many sectarian atrocities. They killed people because of their religion eg Kingsmills, La Mon, Shankhill Road, Enniskillen by the IRA. Greysteel, Loughinisland et al by the Loyalist terrorists. Although each organisation claimed to be non sectarian few in the other community ever believed them. Even the Klan claim not to be racist however not too many believe them either. How wide a definition of sectarianism would you need to include such organisations?
Do you consider "UVF and UDA" chants to be sectarian?
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