QuoteThat is not true, when Ireland decreased their tax rate both corporate and for paye they increased their tax rate. Its a simplified version to think that the only way to increase revenue is to increase the tax rate.
If you want greater state funding of public transport it will require tax increases. Can't see any mainstream party going to the electorate with that policy.
That is not true, when Ireland decreased their tax rate both corporate and for paye they increased their tax rate. Its a simplified version to think that the only way to increase revenue is to increase the tax rate.
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I have seen the Gluas plans and its looks impressive, however having worked in a public sector body dealing with capital projects, a Cost Benefit Analysis must be carried out by law as stipulated by the Department of Finance. I work in the education sector and I can tell you the amount of paper work that we have to go through when building new faculties, buildings etc. so the same must be through when dealing with other capital projects in the other departments.
Gluas is well thought out, however the population in Galway is not there to support it, end of. There is no point in building brand spanking new trams and tram lines when the numbers will not be there to make it feasable. If anything Cork which is far bigger than Galway and badly needs a light rail system. Public transport in Cork, from my own experience is horrendous.
For Galway, you could build a line (light rail) to Salthill only and reopen the WRC as far as Tuam. That would be more than sufficient.
Cork: Middleton line been reopened and new stations added from Mallow. Tram line is feasable. More buses and bus lanes need to be provided.
Limerick: Well served. Has a commuter service in place from Nenagh & Ennis. The WRC opens next year with intermediate station at Sixmilebridge. There has been talk of opening the Foynes line as far as Askeaton.
If anything the Navan, Interconnector and Metro North should be given the biggest priority over any Gluas. Its parish pump politics at its worst.
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Well Galway has brutal traffic problems and with no sign of the By-Pass being built in the next 4/5 years its only going to get alot worse.Also the streets arent wide enough for more bus lanes etc,so the only other alternative IS a light rail system.It happens to be a great alternative.If this isnt built then my dissapointment with government and management in this country will have peaked but unlike the rest of the country im not going to accept it.Galway is choking and nobody cares.The apathy in this country is unreal,we tolerate and let go so many things wrong with officals.
I read somewhere that one line would be going from oranmore to knocknacarra/barna and the other would be going from moycullen to ballybrit. Both lines would be going through the city centre where you could hop from one to the other if need be. All major suburbs would be covered with the trams going by all main buildings i.e. colleges, hospitals, industrial sites, shopping centres etc....
eamo1 the planning permission for the bypass of Galway city hasnt been passed yet due to a few issues from farmers who's land it would go through. They hope for it to be passed by the end of the year but construction for such a major project i.e. a second bridge over the corrib etc.. would take a minimum of 10 years to finish some are saying!!!
I know one of those "farmers" is taking it all the way to the european courts if need be,4/5 years was the optimistic earliest start i could see for the bridge etc.GLUAS IS THE ONLY SOLUTION!
Is there a proposed route map of this anywhere online?
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I'm no expert but would Galway be better off building a single Luas and concentrating development along it?
From that map the Orange line duplicates with the train line for a large section. Can't see how Galway population can justify. Little chance it could cover day to day costs out of fares so would have to be subsidised by taxes.
The Red and Green lines are badly needed.As i said,the streets and roads wont fit bus corridors,taxis are wayyyyyyy too expensive and the by-pass wont be built for another 5 years minimum.So the ONLY alternative is this GLUAS,they dont and wont even have to be fancy trams etc IMO.If they just get me from GMIT to the city centre and the Terryland area where i live to the city centre in less then 10 mins then its darn good.And the politicians do what they do best by covering their ar*es by only saying they agree to it "in principle".They have no ambition IMO and are the worst council the city has had in many years.
What space folding trick do you expect these trams can pull off that a bus can't? I can't see the exact route on that map but you're still going to have to shut down any number of Galways streets any time there's one of them coming down it.
perhaps we could re-evaluate zepplins?
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
I don't think people here realise just how car-centric this country is. Every street of every town is choked with cars because there either is no other option, or people just won't use it.
One thing is for sure, and that's the fact that the current level of car use is unsustainable. We need to start thinking with the motto 'build it, and they will come' rather than 'oh, there isn't the population for it'
I'd much rather be paying taxes to subsidise the gluas, rather than buying carbon credits from a corrupt government in Africa, that's for sure.
Where do you see the tracks going though Eamo, for example on the Dublin Road out to the GMIT, or from the Galway Shopping Centre on into town.Originally Posted by eamo1
I think everyone does, but that's a result of poor and often corrupt planning (that continues). A GLUAS or a SLUAS for the Sligwegians won't solve the issue if the population density isn't there for the light rail. Perhaps GLUAS would be viable if it came as part of an overall solution, but at the moment it doesn't appear to make sense as a stand alone project to me.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
The 2006 popultion of Galway city is 72,000. Limerick is 52,000 and Waterford is 45,000 according to Central Statistics Office
http://www.cso.ie/statistics/popofea...tycity2006.htm
Nobody knows us, we don't care
That Limerick figure is misleading as a lot of suburbs are counted as Limerick County rather than Limerick City as the boundaries haven't been updated. I don't know if there are similar issues with Galway or Waterford.
We're not arrogant, we're just better.
well the gluas would also be taken in large populated ares that arent included in paddyfields figure of 72,000 like oranmore/maree, barna etc.. I would guess that in total the gluas would be covering a populated area of 95-98,000 people.
The Gluas would not cover the entire population of Galway only those people living alongside its line or in close to it.
There probably are similar issues with Waterford as a considerable chunk of it's urban population apparently live in county Kilkenny. This owing to, in common with Limerick, the city being right up against the county boundary.
Galway on the other hand, in common with Cork and Dublin, has it's urban center pretty much as far away from any other county or administrative boundary as possible.
Perhaps we could move Limerick a few miles to the north east. We'll take that whole south east Clare bit who's inhabitants daily choke our roads with their towbar-less jeeps and choke our air with their ...flasks of sweet tea and corned beef sandwiches. Meanwhile out in the desolate windswept west we can have a deeply moving ceremony where we hand the likes of Bruff and Glin over to Kerry to do with as Kerry sees fit.
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
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