Time to end the Setanta cup?

**holidaysong** · 03/09/2008, 5:22 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Well the league cup/division one place gives a chance to the non euro qualifiers

BTW I enjoy going up the North and visting new grounds.

There is no division one place.. The FAI scrapped that playoff once they got their hands on the league.

**mypost** · 03/09/2008, 5:23 PM

Well if people can't come out to watch cup games, there's no chance of playing an AIL.

Bar Linfield, the other NI clubs are makeweights and not crowdpullers. As in an AIL.

**stamullendrog** · 03/09/2008, 5:24 PM

think every league club north and south in one big hat straight knock out would be a belter

**BohDiddley** · 03/09/2008, 5:30 PM

Think it's been missing a bit of quality so far. That'll change next time out.

**superfrank** · 03/09/2008, 6:42 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

As boring as the LOI or FAI Cup?

It's supposed to be a cross-border competition. Not the FAI Cup + Linfield.

**micls** · 03/09/2008, 7:00 PM

Originally Posted by mypost

Well if people can't come out to watch cup games, there's no chance of playing an AIL. .

Well if an AIL was played on Monday and Tuesday nights its doomed from the start.

And cup games generally are exciting because of the chance of being knocked out, unlike the SC group stages

**DUFC4life** · 03/09/2008, 7:11 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

I enjoy going up the North and visting new grounds.

big reason why i enjoy the competition aswell...plus we always seem to win it...

**Inside Man** · 03/09/2008, 8:07 PM

I think its a great competition.
Gives clubs like us, Shams, Bray something to play for. Because if one of us were to break through it would be massive for the club in question in terms of finance and publicity.
Although i think it needs to be restructured somehow.

**finnpark** · 03/09/2008, 8:25 PM

Originally Posted by Inside Man

I think its a great competition.
Gives clubs like us, Shams, Bray something to play for. Because if one of us were to break through it would be massive for the club in question in terms of finance and publicity.
Although i think it needs to be restructured somehow.

I agree.

Setanta are very good at promoting Irish football, really showing RTE and TV3 up.

I think it would be good for the competition if RTE or TV3 showed the odd match, it would get to a wider audience. Setanta's coverage and presentation is excellent, very professional.

Only seen the 2nd half last night but it was very enjoyable. The standard of play was excellent, a decent atmosphere, good looking stadium - good presentation all round.

**Bohemian1890** · 03/09/2008, 8:25 PM

Originally Posted by Steve Bruce

Lets face it, the competition is a flop.

The LOI has destroyed the IL every season (bar Linfield), the crowds are very very poor, interest doesn’t seem to be their either.

Before this competition started, I think most people where expecting regular crowds of over 5000, but this isn’t nearly the case. The crowds have been very bad and getting worse each year.

To think people want to make this into a league. If we cannot show any decent crowds in a cup competition, what’s the likely hood we would get strong crowds in a league game?

Time to scrap this trophy IMO.

Wait till the Big Club is in the crowds will flock

How much do the winners get??

**finnpark** · 03/09/2008, 8:31 PM

They should have an Eire/NI International firendly before or after the Setanta Cup final. This would ensure a packed stadium eg Croke Park and everyone would probably watch the Setanta Cup final if they have Setanta on already or if they are in the pub.

I think the Eircom League should do that more often, put on live matches just before or after other live TV matches such as Irish Internationals. It would ensure a very big audience.

**eamo1** · 03/09/2008, 9:29 PM

According to the P.C game Football Manager 08 you get 130,000 just for qualifying and around another 100,000 for winning it and that game is pretty accurate for details.At least those are the figures i remember from playing that game and bringing my beloved Galway Utd all the way in it.

**R�iteoir** · 03/09/2008, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Inside Man

I think its a great competition.
Gives clubs like us, Shams, Bray something to play for. Because if one of us were to break through it would be massive for the club in question in terms of finance and publicity.
Although i think it needs to be restructured somehow.

http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=1007987&postcount=9

**belfastred** · 03/09/2008, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by eamo1

According to the P.C game Football Manager 08 you get 130,000 just for qualifying and around another 100,000 for winning it and that game is pretty accurate for details.At least those are the figures i remember from playing that game and bringing my beloved Galway Utd all the way in it.

I think it's 20,000Euro for qualifying

**Candystripe** · 04/09/2008, 5:35 PM

Crowds wise, Derry have still never fallen below the 3,000 mark for home att's. Tues game with the Glens came very close though.

With our last home group game V's Linfield very important I would hazzard a guess that at least 5,000 will attend.

We brought over 1,300 to our two away games this season (Glens and Linfield) even though this is our 3rd year in the same group as them.

If Cork did draw either of the Belfast big two I reckon they would get over 3,000 at least.

With Coleraine and Bohs in it next season they should get a decent home att depending who they draw.

**A face** · 04/09/2008, 7:05 PM

Originally Posted by Candystripe

If Cork did draw either of the Belfast big two I reckon they would get over 3,000 at least.

Yeah, definitely. One year we had Drogs in the group, played in the cup and then in the league all in two weeks. Wheres the attraction there? Shels were the biggest draw for us in the Setanta and we'd get more going if there was more variety.

Something very fishy about not ever getting Linfield or Glentoran in the groups though.

**Candystripe** · 04/09/2008, 7:50 PM

Originally Posted by A face

Something very fishy about not ever getting Linfield or Glentoran in the groups though.

And something very fishy about us always getting them!

**diamond** · 04/09/2008, 8:26 PM

i think the new format this year sucks. any buzz it had at start (which was little) is totally gone now (in drogheda anyway). tho maybe its coz we always win it. do enjoy trips to windsor park tho

**BleusAvantTout** · 04/09/2008, 9:25 PM

I think it's a great competition and have attended every Linfield game. However being "drawn" in the same group as Derry & Glentoran in three consecutive tournaments has become boring!

Attendances are down and I believe that Linfield ensuring that all of our games are "all ticket" has severely restricted our crowds. I am also aware that other clubs operate a "pay at the gate" policy!

**Stato** · 05/09/2008, 5:39 PM

Originally Posted by eamo1

According to the P.C game Football Manager 08 you get 130,000 just for qualifying and around another 100,000 for winning it and that game is pretty accurate for details.At least those are the figures i remember from playing that game and bringing my beloved Galway Utd all the way in it.

It's �150,000 for the winners, �70,000 for the runners-up and �20,000 each for the other six teams. Referees expenses (including travel costs) and fines for yellow and red cards are deducted from it by the organising committee.