Supporting two teams.

**bennocelt** · 04/09/2008, 3:19 PM

Originally Posted by Cortezuma

I'm not from Dublin, I live in Dublin currently. And okay I take back my comment about Dodge, it was purely based on his attitude in here and of course I realise that I wouldn't, and haven't, experience this at LOI matches.

I did not grow up in Dublin, did not grow up near any LOI club so therefore had no reason to be attached to any of them.

Me too, there isnt even a leinster senior league team in my home town, which is a bloody disgrace (there used to be!!), but you wont see me going to the UK .
Why would I? I just grit my teeth and head over the border to see Longford now and again, and pray that i can make it safely home in time for last orders!

excuse after excuse - there is no good reason for your to support Everton

**Cortezuma** · 04/09/2008, 3:22 PM

''The true supporters of any team are people who go every week to watch them. ''

It is not possible for every supporter to be at every game, or even live in the same city or country forever. I mantain that it doesn't make someone less of a supporter in itself. We will probably have to leave it at that and agree to disagree. Thanks for the debate Dodge.

I was only looking to add my voice to the ongoing debate in forums like this which sees a lot of nonsense written on both sides. I find it an interesting argument, thats all, and appreciate most of your comments.
Dodge, Belfast Red and Boovidge in particular. I think myself a true and passionate football supporter, Dodge and others disagree. Fair enough.

Plus there is entertainment to be found in the views of the 'ultra' supporters on either side.

Now let's move on to Mick McCarthy vs Roy Keane............................................. ..........................just kidding...

**Cortezuma** · 04/09/2008, 3:29 PM

Originally Posted by bennocelt

Me too, there isnt even a leinster senior league team in my home town, which is a bloody disgrace (there used to be!!), but you wont see me going to the UK .
Why would I? I just grit my teeth and head over the border to see Longford now and again, and pray that i can make it safely home in time for last orders!

excuse after excuse - there is no good reason for your to support Everton

you are obviously just picking at posts and not reading everything. I have been an Everton fan since I was a kid. The more I went to see them, and having spent a few months here and there in the city, I became more and more passionate. At what point, and for what reason, do you want me to discard something that has been part of me since very young?

You are clearly missing the point that it would have taken exposure, or close proximity to an LOI club to have gotten me supporting that young. I didn't have that, so what are you talking about? Were you me expecting me to go at 10yrs old up to Bray to support Wanderers, who I hadn't even heard of?

**boovidge** · 04/09/2008, 3:30 PM

fair play to you cortezuma. I hope you change your mind and at least give the LOI another go.

**the-blue-harp** · 04/09/2008, 3:37 PM

cortezuma makes a few good points about what kids are exposed to at an early age, that being the massive media coverage of the premier league.

its hard to compete with. all these massive liverpool fans etc are not gonna be taking their kids to eircom league games in the future either, its a vicious circle. this is the biggest task for the fai- can they change this? if they can the league will move on!

on the point of marketing, i notice in another thread people thought the eircom league advert at dalymount was lame. id have to agree with that. the line at the end about "i love it that the lights come on" is the most nonsensical cringeworthy line in advertising, sad!

**bennocelt** · 04/09/2008, 3:56 PM

Originally Posted by Cortezuma

you are obviously just picking at posts and not reading everything. I have been an Everton fan since I was a kid. The more I went to see them, and having spent a few months here and there in the city, I became more and more passionate. At what point, and for what reason, do you want me to discard something that has been part of me since very young?

that still doesn't make it right, that you support a team by chance, by luck

**Cortezuma** · 04/09/2008, 4:12 PM

Originally Posted by bennocelt

that still doesn't make it right, that you support a team by chance, by luck

ridiculous. What made you go to Longford? You are not from Longford. If it was originally with someone you knew or a family member then again it is just chance that your dad or whatever supports Longford and brought you.

If not you just chose them. It's chance that some people are born beside Camp Nou, and bloody luck too I might add.

Anyway whether by chance or by choice(for whatever reason) I think you are a supporter.

Is the only reason I am not, because the team I support was by chance or choice, or both. Or are you only saying it because I support a team, due to chance or choice, which happens to be outside Ireland?

**bennocelt** · 04/09/2008, 6:51 PM

Originally Posted by Cortezuma

ridiculous. What made you go to Longford? You are not from Longford. If it was originally with someone you knew or a family member then again it is just chance that your dad or whatever supports Longford and brought you.

If not you just chose them. It's chance that some people are born beside Camp Nou, and bloody luck too I might add.

Anyway whether by chance or by choice(for whatever reason) I think you are a supporter.

Is the only reason I am not, because the team I support was by chance or choice, or both. Or are you only saying it because I support a team, due to chance or choice, which happens to be outside Ireland?

Yeah but I choose to support Irish football, not a foreign league.
By the way I m hoping to go to Kildare tomorrow, god willing!!!

**Bohemian1890** · 04/09/2008, 7:17 PM

Originally Posted by oriel

I dont think this is a fair statement, there are historic and real links bewteen celtic fc and ireland, all of a sudden it appears to be trendy to hate celtic on this forum. As i said before, i support celtic as my 2nd team but hate the politics is there anything wrong with this ?

Why dont you have Hibs or Dundee United as your 2nd team???

Celtic links to Ireland are plastic.

They are a copy of Hibs the original Scottish club with Irish links even the kit was because Hibs had it.

Hibs didnt cash in on the real links with Ireland.If the Hibs fans pretended to know about Irish History and stared waving foreign flags at games they would sell thousands more jerseys in ireland and would make millions.

**TonyD** · 04/09/2008, 9:17 PM

Originally Posted by Cortezuma

I understand what you are saying, but Pats are your team because you grew up nearby and have been supporting them for a long time. Everton and Barca are my teams because I was attached to them at a very young age and kept it with through my life, and I can associate with the feelings you describe because I've been to plenty of their matches. I think they are MY teams because I have supported both for around 20 years.

I also couldn't start supporting a team here now just for the reason they are Irish, and are nearby. I have mentioned before that I have been to enough games down through the years here, and it is just a fact that I have not seen anything to keep me coming back.

However, I will say to you Tony D, that I envy you, having your club down the road from you and your ability to see the team you love regularlywith other fans, but you must understand that the passion and pride you feel for your team has mostly to do with the length of time you have supported them. It is not possible to walk in now to Pats and get into this straight away, it would take a long time and dedication which is not something I can do as I simply have not seen enough quality in the league to start me down this road. (and I have not been saying I support teams only because of the quality of their football, but in recent years, this has been my main reason for taking an interest in many different leagues and teams)

It may surprise you to learn that I haven't supported Pats from the cradle. Like you I grew up almost solely exposed to English football on TV. I chose Man City as "my" team for some obscure reasons which I couldn't even begin to remember now. Sound familiar ? My brother brought me to Richmond Park for the first time when I was about 8 or 9, and I went sporadically over the years but never really became hooked. I gradually came to realise that Man City didn't really mean anything to me. They were nothing to do with me and could never truly be "my" team. I was almost thirty when I went back to Pats and was completely hooked within a season. You make it sound like a chore going to local games, it's anything but. Sure, I've been to my fair share of rubbish games, I'm sure you have been too if you go to Goodison regularly. I'm also sure you'd agree that's not the point when it comes to Everton, so why do you want to apply different standards when it comes to Irish teams ? I'm sorry to hear you've been to Richmond and didn't enjoy it, but that doesn't mean it's not possible, even at this stage, to get into it.

**micls** · 04/09/2008, 9:49 PM

Originally Posted by Cortezuma

I understand what you are saying, but Pats are your team because you grew up nearby and have been supporting them for a long time.

Ive been supporting Cork City for only a short time. Since 2004. Before that I was basically unaware of LOI football.

I watched football on tele, followed Man Utd(was at Old trafford a few times) loved la Liga etc etc.

But none of it is in any way comparable to supporting City week in week out. I still watch football from all over, love the quality of La Liga etc, but that is simply entertainment, a tv choice.

Supporting City is a passion and until I experienced it I had no idea what I was missing. Not only the games/football, but the friendships you make with people similar to you, the camaraderie, away trips etc.

And the fact that in the scheme of your club you actually matter. What I do, and others like me, can ensure our club survives and gets stronger. You truly are part of it, and it becomes one of the most important thing in your life.

You may find it sad, but can you say that you spend every week waiting for Saturday? And that your mood for the following week is based on the result? Because Id imagine most LOI fans on here will.

Basically my whole life recently has been based around City intensively, trying to figure out ways for us to survive, going to fundraisers, organising fundraisers, talking to other fans about it. The focus of my life right now is to ensure we survive.

Now obviously Id prefer if this wasnt the case, but supporting City is more than entertainment, more than football. its an integral part of my life.

And this is someone who was exactly like you til a fe years ago. Pick one team, your local one if possible, give it a chance for a few months get to know people etc and Id be very very surprised if you regret it.

Most people just never give it a chance. Theres more to football that skill, otherwise it wouldnt be the passion it is for millions worldwide

**belfastred** · 04/09/2008, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by micls

Ive been supporting Cork City for only a short time. Since 2004. Before that I was basically unaware of LOI football.

I watched football on tele, followed Man Utd(was at Old trafford a few times) loved la Liga etc etc.

But none of it is in any way comparable to supporting City week in week out. I still watch football from all over, love the quality of La Liga etc, but that is simply entertainment, a tv choice.

Supporting City is a passion and until I experienced it I had no idea what I was missing. Not only the games/football, but the friendships you make with people similar to you, the camaraderie, away trips etc.

And the fact that in the scheme of your club you actually matter. What I do, and others like me, can ensure our club survives and gets stronger. You truly are part of it, and it becomes one of the most important thing in your life.

You may find it sad, but can you say that you spend every week waiting for Saturday? And that your mood for the following week is based on the result? Because Id imagine most LOI fans on here will.

Basically my whole life recently has been based around City intensively, trying to figure out ways for us to survive, going to fundraisers, organising fundraisers, talking to other fans about it. The focus of my life right now is to ensure we survive.

Now obviously Id prefer if this wasnt the case, but supporting City is more than entertainment, more than football. its an integral part of my life.

And this is someone who was exactly like you til a fe years ago. Pick one team, your local one if possible, give it a chance for a few months get to know people etc and Id be very very surprised if you regret it.

Most people just never give it a chance. Theres more to football that skill, otherwise it wouldnt be the passion it is for millions worldwide

Got it in one!
I can't wait until Saturday for a wee trip down to Newry - it may not sound glamourous but you can't beat following your local team around the country

**paulie_walnuts** · 04/09/2008, 11:22 PM

Some of the posts in this thread, JW Hire will be going out of business getting ladders to get some of you lot down off your high horses.

Now its not good enough for people to go to LOI games, because they support another team.

Honestly, we talk about improving interest and attendances at games, is it any wonder some people stay away when they see the petty little us and them attitude from some fans. Catch a grip.

**OneRedArmy** · 05/09/2008, 8:18 AM

Originally Posted by paulie_walnuts

Honestly, we talk about improving interest and attendances at games, is it any wonder some people stay away when they see the petty little us and them attitude from some fans. Catch a grip.

This is being discussed an internet forum.

Have you heard discussions like this at EL games?

Didn't think so.

Non-issue.

**belfastred** · 05/09/2008, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by paulie_walnuts

Some of the posts in this thread, JW Hire will be going out of business getting ladders to get some of you lot down off your high horses.

Now its not good enough for people to go to LOI games, because they support another team.

Honestly, we talk about improving interest and attendances at games, is it any wonder some people stay away when they see the petty little us and them attitude from some fans. Catch a grip.

Where was this said?

I must have missed that.

**thedoyler** · 05/09/2008, 11:45 AM

Its a good point that im pretty sure i raised before friends i have from carlow, kerry and tipperary have no affinity for league clubs and therefore support english clubs as they get to see them more in the papers or on TV. Having been in England many times the locals find the majority of Irish fans who refer to English clubs as we or us cringeworthy, shown point in case by the poor fellow from Dublin who rang in to MUTV (much to the presenters amusement) when i was at my uncles last night saying with 'Birmatar Derbatov we are going to win the treble and the scousers will be afraid to play us in 2 weeks'. Another showcase of such clowns is live after 5 on today fm on a saturday. They all come out then....There are genuinely dedicated fans of english clubs who rarely miss a home game, they just get embarrassed by these knowledgable folk who ring in and vent their frustration from the darren fletcher isnt fit to wear our shirt.

**the-blue-harp** · 05/09/2008, 2:28 PM

its the "us" "we" "Our" that really gets my goat!

**belfastred** · 05/09/2008, 6:33 PM

Originally Posted by the-blue-harp

its the "us" "we" "Our" that really gets my goat!

I lived in Liverpool for 8 years the fans who come over to Ireland with a few exceptions are seen as figures of fun.

They don’t understand the fan culture at these clubs and generally act like total ****s on a stag weekend.

**Youths4Ever** · 05/09/2008, 6:35 PM

up to last year i only really watched soccer on tv besides a few international games but now i love going to see the youths play.

it such a different feeling being involved with a local club rather than watching a team on tv.

it hard to explain but being involved with a local club gives more of a sense of belonging or something. after the Cork game walking around the streets in New Ross (a town in Wexford) where i normally hang up posters for games had people coming up to me the street saying what a great result it was really happy for us looking forward to final etc you just don't get that when you support a team abroad.

i do still follow soccer abroad but it just not the same as being at a live game and been able to speak to players after the games. also great to see younger lads able to shake the hands with players after games. one of the best things seen heard was at a party one evening and some kids playing football and then where not saying then were ronaldo, gerrard etc but sinnott, malone furlong etc