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    The League Cup 2023- The Return??

    Does anybody have any news if this Tournament is returning next season? Lenister Seinor Cup too?

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    Would make sense to play the early stages as a pre-season tournament in January, and the quarter-finals and semis mid-week, as occurs in Scotland, if there ever were any plans to revive the competition.

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    this should be back. makes no sense at all to scrap it.

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    I feel it needs to be back as it can fill a pretty big role on the calendar. Since we have no 'B' teams or reserve league, it would be good for u19s and returning injured players to get some competitive game time.


    Would love to see it be a bit more creative with the format, maybe groups based on provinces or the first stage like the new Champions League format (as to differentiate it from the FAI Cup). Play it early in the season to coincide with Junior leagues, and seek to include teams who might want to join the new tier.


    Either that or would love to replace it with an open cup competition for the whole of the Island, and include teams from the North in one-off games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa View Post
    I feel it needs to be back as it can fill a pretty big role on the calendar. Since we have no 'B' teams or reserve league, it would be good for u19s and returning injured players to get some competitive game time.


    Would love to see it be a bit more creative with the format, maybe groups based on provinces or the first stage like the new Champions League format (as to differentiate it from the FAI Cup). Play it early in the season to coincide with Junior leagues, and seek to include teams who might want to join the new tier.


    Either that or would love to replace it with an open cup competition for the whole of the Island, and include teams from the North in one-off games.
    Always thought a cross border competition with a European spot for the winner would be an idea,no clue if it would be possible to achieve but there would be more interest in it if there was a decent prize at the end of it…..
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    Quote Originally Posted by joey B View Post
    Always thought a cross border competition with a European spot for the winner would be an idea,no clue if it would be possible to achieve but there would be more interest in it if there was a decent prize at the end of it…..
    This was where the All-Island League idea fell back to after the initial idea faced big opposition.

    Hard to see why UEFA would be interested in making a special case for Ireland (even if the winners were unlikely to progress very far). The whole 'peace' argument is overplayed significantly - and could also set a tricky precedent for UEFA re various other places (Cyrpus, the Balkans etc). Could maybe argue for a preliminary round slot at best, but I don't think they exist outside of the Champions League - and we'd be talking Conference at best for winners of something like this.

    In short - hard to see it happening. Unless someone fancies bribing UEFA over it all.

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    Yeah it would definitely be a long shot,the All Ireland league idea seems to have died down a bit so something like that might wet the appetite for one in the future…..
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    The 4 European teams could compete in the President's Cup. All other teams then could compete in the League Cup. The President's Cup winner, League Cup winner and 2 best placed league teams could qualify for a European playoff.
    The FAI Cup final suits being the final game of the season. The FAI Cup final can determine the final team that qualifies for Europe through the league, as happened yesterday with Derry's win securing Pat's qualification. For this reason, a European playoff could be contested at the start of the next season. It can be a high profile way to start the season.
    Clubs are eager to qualify for Europe. A playoff around that final European spot can have a high profile. With the calendar season, the LoI can take advantage of being able to stage that playoff at the start of the season in time for the summer.
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    I can't see any resurrection of the league cup with spiralling transport costs and minimum wages now to contend with. If the First Division is going to be 36 games next season then there is no chance there will be any buy in from those clubs
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    Quote Originally Posted by total hoofball View Post
    I can't see any resurrection of the league cup with spiralling transport costs and minimum wages now to contend with. If the First Division is going to be 36 games next season then there is no chance there will be any buy in from those clubs
    Wouldn't have any appetite for its return in its previous form. The issue about transport costs is a valid one aswell. If it could be rejigged into a preseason tournament it could be worthwhile.

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    Would like to see its return but not in the current climate with spiraling costs
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    Is running transport that expensive?

    I feel like this tournament is badly missing, and could be useful in preparing the ground for the future 'third tier'.

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    It used to be played in pre-season groups previously. With 20 teams next season it could be 4 groups of 5 teams playing each other once - that would be a total of 5 game "weeks". Top 2 in each group qualify for QFs.

    Or even if the 4 European teams don't play that's 4 groups of 4.

    I guess the issue for some clubs would be the longer season, although they'd be playing these instead of pre-season games I would assume that for a player to play in an official League Cup match they'd have to be registered rather than just "A Trialist".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa View Post
    Is running transport that expensive?

    I feel like this tournament is badly missing, and could be useful in preparing the ground for the future 'third tier'.
    An alternative option is regional league cups. Connacht/Ulster, North Leinster, South Leinster and Munster.
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    is the league cup not already regionalised for the the first 2 rounds??

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    Quote Originally Posted by legendz View Post
    An alternative option is regional league cups. Connacht/Ulster, North Leinster, South Leinster and Munster.
    If you're proposing separate league cups for each of those regions, then that would devalue and kill the competition entirely.

    I don't see what's wrong with the format we had before = regionalised early stages, then nationwide after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EatYerGreens View Post
    If you're proposing separate league cups for each of those regions, then that would devalue and kill the competition entirely.

    I don't see what's wrong with the format we had before = regionalised early stages, then nationwide after that.
    Is a national league cup needed? Cork v Waterford in a Munster League Cup final. Derry v Sligo in a Connacht-Ulster League Cup final. Dundalk v Bohemians in a North Leinster League Cup final. Shamrock Rovers v St. Pat's in a South Leinster League Cup final. 4 regionalised cups based on local rivalries.
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    That would probably garner Munster Senior Cup numbers.

    For me the magic bullet for the League Cup can only be some manner of Euro spot, even if it's qualification to some form of play-off with a suitably highly placed league side. Without that it's just very unimportant. The idea of having some cross-border element is great on paper, but difficult to foresee.
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    dont really understand the apathy towards it. hoping fai come to their senses and bring it back , the previous format worked well.

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