Ha, believe it or not, I value his opinion for the fact that he was a professional footballer, played at the highest level and will be well aware of the qualities that Carsley brought to the Everton side. I would value his opinion somewhat more than that of, 'lionelhutz' perhaps.Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba
i wouldnt have carsely in my team either - we need to move on from him now.
duff isnt 50% on the rw than the lw. yes he went past a few players on sat but home many decent crosses / final balls did he put in from the right? we should play our best players in their best positions and fill in the gaps with others. definately duff on the left and mcgeady on the right
personally, I think he's easily the worst pundit I've ever seen, and that includes Mark Lawrenson...he spoutes some amount of awful cliched drivel, I actually find it kind of offensive that he gets paid for it aswell!!
anyway, back on topic - I think Carsley still has something to offer but I would have Steven Reid in the starting XI ahead of him...
"Well I think they'll be a little disappointed with that" - Matt Holland on TV3 after 5-2 drubbing by Cyprus
What a mature reply. I know he said he wanted to be closer to his family but why didn't the likes of Aston Villa come in for him? I've no doubt he's done well at Everton but this is because of the way they play with 5 in midfield. Carsley was expected to break up opposition attacks and nothing else - which he did very well.
However, Ireland need so much more from their midfielders and Carsley has never had the quality to be an all round midfielder.
And as for your agreement with the statemtents of Jamie Redknapp......I just won't go there
jamie redknapps opinion is being taken seriously on this thread!!! if thats the case this thread should be locked - just for its ridiculousness...
as for lee carsley - an absolutely attrocious midfielder
he has no footballing skills whatsoever - only reason he is palying in the premier division is evertons tactics..they wanted 1 player in their midfield who will never go past the half way line..
he has no skill,no vision,cant pass the ball,cant cover the ground,no real pace.. he has basically has nothing you would look for in a decent central midfielder..
but if jamie says hes a good player, he must be right
You ask why didn't 'the likes of Aston Villa come in for him'; yet you then proceed to answer it with your next line. Its the role he performs for Everton and Villa don't play this way. Judging my Everton's success it would suggest it works.
I'm not discussing Redknapp's punditry abilities, the facts state that he was a professional footballer, and as such is able to recognise what Carsley brings to his team. I'm sure if I could be bothered I could pick up far more quotes from other's but we all know he's done a good job the last few years.
As for Ireland needing so much more from their midfielders, may I politely suggest that Everton, of whom Carsley was an integral part of, would beat the current Ireland side with relative comfort. Whilst I don't wish to get into the merits of the two sides, if he's been good enough for Everton the last 4 years then I believe he's good enough for Ireland.
Finally, thank you for commending my maturity, although to be honest I don't believe you were asked.
If this is the case, one must wonder how he's managed to keep his place in a good premiership side for so many years, when they could, if your opinion is to be believed, just got in any central midfielder and told him not to go past the half way line, as he would have done a better job than Carsley. Your comments are drivel, and offensive to a player who has been excellant for his club for a number of years.jamie redknapps opinion is being taken seriously on this thread!!! if thats the case this thread should be locked - just for its ridiculousness...
as for lee carsley - an absolutely attrocious midfielder
he has no footballing skills whatsoever - only reason he is palying in the premier division is evertons tactics..they wanted 1 player in their midfield who will never go past the half way line..
he has no skill,no vision,cant pass the ball,cant cover the ground,no real pace.. he has basically has nothing you would look for in a decent central midfielder..
but if jamie says hes a good player, he must be right
Trap said on May 1 that the player he is most looking forward to working with is McGeady. He said he reminds him or an old style winger. After Hunts performance against Serbia McGeady should be ahead of him.
Expected team
-----------------Given
Finnan ---- Dunne------O'Shea------Kilbane
McGeady-----Carsley------A.Reid------Duff
Doyle------Keane
My prefered team
----------------Given
Finnan ----- Dunne------O'Brien------Kilbane
A. Reid------ S. Reid-----Carsley-----Duff
Doyle-------Keane
Would like to see Delaney and Lawrence close to the starting 11. I really worry about the physical stature of our team. These two lads are well built and a good size.
Theres no way Trap will play an away game with Duff and McGeady half of a midfield 4.
Home
Given
Kelly Dunne O'Brien Finnan
Duff S.Reid A.Reid McGeady
Keane Doyle
Away
Given
Kelly Dunne O'Brien Finnan
Carsley
Ireland S.Reid A.Reid Duff
Keane
No no no no. Do you want Finnan to stay if he comes back into the fold? If so why would you have him at left back??
i have to say you are a clown.. or a shambles more to the point.. because carsley plays regularly for everton, and they are a better side than ireland [ which i wouldnt question] - erego he must start with ireland.. thats the most comical argument ever.. you really are thick - no wonder you are a jamie redknapp fan
Agree totally with you about Carsley.Years ago I didnt rate him at all and I put him in the same bracket as Gary Doherty but he has proved with Everton that he is a quality player.Just because he doesnt spray 50 yard passes around the place doesnt mean he isnt a good player. He reads the game excellently and breaks up the oppositions midfield in the same way that Makelele does for Chelsea. These type of players can be vital for a team, although maybe not quite as effective in a 4-4-2 formation
Its really not that complicated!!!
I'd like to see us try a 4-1-2-2-1 formation including Carsley to do exactly what he does/did for Everton.as for lee carsley - an absolutely attrocious midfielder
he has no footballing skills whatsoever - only reason he is palying in the premier division is evertons tactics..they wanted 1 player in their midfield who will never go past the half way line..
he has no skill,no vision,cant pass the ball,cant cover the ground,no real pace.. he has basically has nothing you would look for in a decent central midfielder..
but if jamie says hes a good player, he must be right
Given
Finnan-Dunne-A. O'Brien-O'Shea
Carsley
S. Reid-A. Reid
Keogh-Duff
Keane
If Finnan and O'Brien don't come back or if Delaney proves himself to be a solid international then I'd play Delaney at LB and O'Shea at CB.
Carsley can stay put between MF and defence to break up the opposition's play and play short uncomplicated passes to either of the two Reids.
The two Reids should come looking for the ball from Carsely and the defence. Both players, especially Andy, have a good range of passing and can work it from there up to the three players in front of them. They can decided between them which one will go forward when attacking and which one hangs around MF to be ready to defend when/if the attack breaks down.
Unfortunately we don't have a recognised out-and-out striker that would be ideal for the lone striker role and it has been shown in the past that Keane is not suited to playing there. Maybe it might work if he has a combination of Duff and Keogh creating chances for him. Keogh is more noted for his assists at both Wolves and Scunthorp although he has scored his fair share of cracking goals too. Duff would be expected play a bit deeper and attack from MF or out wide (left and right) whereas Keogh would play a more advanced role and join Robbie up front when Duff and the Reids are on the attack. Robbie would be told to always stay in and around the penalty area and try to stay onside.
It's a bit more complcated than a flat 4-2-2 but if we played zonal football, where each player knew his exact role, it could work.
It would be nice to have the luxury of a few games to tinker with the front three and try different combinations of Duff, McGeady, Keane, Doyle, Long, Murphy, Morrisson, Ireland and Keogh. Although for me Duff and Keane should be there. Maybe in a few years Stokes will be ready for the lone striker role.
Last edited by Irish_Praha; 26/05/2008 at 3:27 PM.
Evertons best starting 11 is better than Irelands best team. This is one of the reasons Carsley shouldn't be near Irelands team. Everton have better players around Carsley to compensate for his many shortcomings as a midfielder. And their formation and tactics meant that they could accommodate him in the team.
Just because he started for Everton doesnt mean he should start for Ireland - which seems to be your argument. Anyway, considering he'll be playing in the championship with Birmingham by the time the qualifiers start and the likes of the two Reids, Whelan, Ireland etc will be playing in the Premier League wouldn't this mean these players should be ahead of Carsley in the pecking order by your logic?
Its our best defensive unit. I dont care if he'd prefer to play right back. We need a quality player left back and Kelly can do a job on the right. He'll play where he's told to play. What if every player said "right ill play in x position and if you play me in y or z im outta here"
Carsley is much about what he stops the other team doing as he is about what he contributes.... Wether he plays is not about how good he is at the job he does, but about whether Trap wants that job done. Carsley won't feature in a standard middle 4
Given
Finnan Dunne O'Shea Kelly
-----Carsley S Reid -------
---------A.Reid
Keane------------- Duff
---------Doyle
This formation capitalises on what little strength in depth we have and insulates from suspensions and injuries.
Didn't see the game, was at a wedding, so can't say how Delany played at LB. It's gonna be the best of a bad bunch regardless.
Joey O'Brien can come in for Carsley or S Reid
Ireland can come in for A. Reid
McGeady can come in for Duff or Keane.
Keane can pay up front but I don't think we get the best from him up there on his own.
There's a number of average options for the lone front man.
I dont actually remember stating that he should be starting for Ireland, and I agree it will depend very much on the formation/style of play that is adopted by the manager.
However, my point was, if you refer back to my original reply is that I feel you are wrong about Carsley on two or three points and I think I have addressed them.
But he is not a natural left back.He should not be played out of position as it would be counter productive for him and Ireland. This is one of the reasons he retired prematurely. I agree that players should not dictate where they play but for now it's a sensitive issue with Finnan.
what is this a joke or what. where did u come up with this mate
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