Cardiff City/Derry City

**micls** · 10/03/2008, 9:27 PM

Looks like UEFA are at it again.

An interesting development with Cardiff City has emerged.

Should they win the FA Cup, not as unlikley now as it might have been a few months ago, they will not be allowed compete in the UEFA Cup next season.

The reason is because they are under the juristiction of the Welsh FA. So, even though they compete in the English League and Cup they are ineligible to represent England in European competition.

It gets better though..............

They cannot represent Wales either because they compete in a foreign competition.

This was posted on out forum. Looking for a link atm.

But if its true what(if any) implications would it have for Derry.

They have represented us in the same situation.....

Is it a new ruling? If so would Derry be disallowed from representing us from now on?

**DmanDmythDledge** · 10/03/2008, 9:32 PM

Presumably the same exception that allowed Derry to join the League of Ireland would still apply for them.

**Sheridan** · 10/03/2008, 9:35 PM

What makes you think there's any parallel here? Derry aren't under the jurisdiction of the IFA.

**micls** · 10/03/2008, 9:42 PM

Originally Posted by Sheridan

What makes you think there's any parallel here? Derry aren't under the jurisdiction of the IFA.

I'm definitely not sure of anything. Just wondering.

How is the Cardiff situation different to the Derry one jurisdiction wise? Not sure of the details.

**DmanDmythDledge** · 10/03/2008, 9:47 PM

Don't think Cardiff are under the jurisdiction of the FAW anymore- they're barred for entering the Welsh Cup anyway.

**John83** · 10/03/2008, 9:48 PM

There's no equivalent problem for Derry here.

The problem, such as it is, is that Cardiff are registered with the Welch FA, and the English FA won't nominate them for Europe. Ever. UEFA have no problem with this, either way.

Derry are registered with the FAI, not the IFA, and even if they weren't, I don't think the FAI would be arrogant enough to refuse to let Derry take a European slot they earned.

**Stato** · 10/03/2008, 9:48 PM

As far as I know Cardiff, Swansea and Wrexham are all registered with the Welsh FA but are allowed play in the English League. For many years all three teams competed in the Welsh FA Cup and (as far as I remember) represented Wales in the UEFA Cup if they won it.

For quite a while, English teams competed in the Welsh FA Cup. I think Hereford United were the last English team to win it in 1990 but the UEFA Cup spot was given to the best performing Welsh side. I'm guessing it's this precedent that applies to Cardiff City in the English FA Cup.

Derry City on the other hand are registered under the FAI and have no involvement whatsoever with the Irish FA.

**micls** · 10/03/2008, 9:50 PM

Thanks for the info lads

**rambler14** · 10/03/2008, 9:56 PM

Cardiff are under the system of he FAW (Football Assocition of Wales) and have opted to play in FA competition and so sacrifice European football.

Derry on the other hand are under the system of the FAI and have no association with the IFA.

**finnpark** · 10/03/2008, 9:57 PM

Originally Posted by micls

This was posted on out forum. Looking for a link atm.

But if its true what(if any) implications would it have for Derry.

They have represented us in the same situation.....

Is it a new ruling? If so would Derry be disallowed from representing us from now on?

Vaduz compete in Switz but qualify for Europe by winning the Liecenstein cup so if Wexham, Swansea and Cardiff participated in the Welsh cup they could play in Europe and help pump up their rankings. Proper order that they are banned, they should be playing in Wales

**Candystripe** · 11/03/2008, 2:58 AM

Strange one.

Derry played Cardiff in the uefa cup in the 1990 season.

Drawing 0-0 in the Brandywell and losing 4-0 away.

I think it was after this that they gave up their Welsh creds when the welsh started their own league.

**dortie** · 11/03/2008, 8:52 AM

We are under the FAI so there is no comparison, in addition to that the vast majority of Derry fans legally hold an Irish passport, in Cardiffs situation they consider themselves of a seperate nationality.

Registered with the FAI - Thats the main difference.

**David** · 11/03/2008, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Stato

As far as I know Cardiff, Swansea and Wrexham are all registered with the Welsh FA but are allowed play in the English League. For many years all three teams competed in the Welsh FA Cup and (as far as I remember) represented Wales in the UEFA Cup if they won it.

For quite a while, English teams competed in the Welsh FA Cup. I think Hereford United were the last English team to win it in 1990 but the UEFA Cup spot was given to the best performing Welsh side. I'm guessing it's this precedent that applies to Cardiff City in the English FA Cup.

Derry City on the other hand are registered under the FAI and have no involvement whatsoever with the Irish FA.

I am pretty sure this part is wrong. As far as I am aware Derry as still registered with the IFA. I know they get grants etc. In the case of Cardiff I think it may be the English FA's choice not to have them as representatives.

**neutrino** · 11/03/2008, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Candystripe

Strange one.

Derry played Cardiff in the uefa cup in the 1990 season.

Drawing 0-0 in the Brandywell and losing 4-0 away.

I think it was after this that they gave up their Welsh creds when the welsh started their own league.

Cardiff used to get in via winning the FAW Cup but UEFA/FAW stopped this.

**neutrino** · 11/03/2008, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by David

In the case of Cardiff I think it may be the English FA's choice not to have them as representatives.

exactly correct.

**Flexy** · 11/03/2008, 12:54 PM

What grants? Not seen any since 1988

**David** · 11/03/2008, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Flexy

What grants? Not seen any since 1988

Who paid for Derry City's YDO?

**EalingGreen** · 11/03/2008, 1:28 PM

Originally Posted by dortie

We are under the FAI so there is no comparison, in addition to that the vast majority of Derry fans legally hold an Irish passport, in Cardiffs situation they consider themselves of a seperate nationality.

Registered with the FAI - Thats the main difference.

Is there a prize for the most irrelevant point posted on any topic?

Anyhow, whilst the English FA permits Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham, Newport and Merthyr to play in their competitions, they will not allow them any of the European places open to English clubs.

Cardiff etc know that when they enter the FA Cup.

If they don't like that, then they can always try to qualify for Europe via the Welsh Cup, although afaik they would then have to forfeit their entry to the FA Cup (and possibly even have to enter the Welsh League?).

As for Derry City, whether they are actually registed with the IFA (I think likely) or the FAI (don't think so), they are competing in the FAI's competitions entirely legally and we must presume the FAI has no objection to DC taking up one of the FAI's European allocation anytime they do well enough to qualify.

We must also assume that UEFA have no objection to either situation, indeed most likely support them, since it is what their Member Associations want.

**dcfc_legend9** · 11/03/2008, 2:29 PM

The way i see it though is that Cardiff city had a choice to go to the English league rather than stay in there own welsh league.

Derry had know choice whatsoever. We got forced out of the Irish league and thankfully got excepted into the league of ireland.

Surely this is the difference in the rules on why Derry are allowed to play in europe should they qualify through the LOI and cardiff arent allowed if they where to qualify.

Cardiff chose to leave the welsh league
Derry where forced out of the Irish league