Aiden McGeady

[tetsujin1979]

Lads its an Ireland forum.

Hence the comments on Irish players at club level. It would be a whole lot quieter if we only spoke about performances in international games. Would you prefer that we had a Celtic forum to talk about McGeady's club appearances? And a Man City one to talk about Dunne and Ireland's club performances, and a Reading one to talk about Long, Hunt, and Doyle's club performances?

So you get views based on his appearances for Ireland. They havent been much cop up til now.

If they haven't been "much cop up until now" that must mean his recent perfomances have been "much cop", correct? So why do you want to see player in form dropped?

Seems like none of the Celtic fans can accept that at all.

Seems like you don't want to hear the opinion of Celtic fans, or people who have been watching McGeady play for Celtic. Should the opinions of Man City fans, or people who have watched Man City games, be disregarded in the Stephen Ireland thread?

[OwlsFan]

So he has had 5 competitive starts and 5 competitive sub appearances. God knows how many minutes playing time for Ireland that is, but it isnt that much. In a period when as a team we have been ****e, its a lot of pressure to expect a newcomer to come in a set the standard, which judging by the negative comments on here, he would need to do.

ABout the same length of time Stan got as international manager . Alas, international games come round once in a blue moon so a player has to make a quick impact (like a manager) or it's curtains. Can't afford a player to be putting in poor performances in the hope he'll get better because there just isn't time.

[BigmanCas]

Jeepers creepers, such a thread.

Don't know where to start.

BigManCas, I don't know how you can be such a big McGeady fan when you say you don't support Celtic. From that I take it you watch the odd away game on Setanta, CL games, his few Ireland games etc? Your posting style of hailing him as the best thing since sliced bread seems to antagonise the posters who have only seen him for Ireland when he was sh1t. Then they in turn are exaggerating as much as you but in the other direction.

The exaggeration on this thread is ridiculous. That 'wayne rooney benchmark' post I was going to pull up but was already highlighted well by another poster. It reminds me of one by paul o shea before the barca game 'ok if he gets MOTM tonight i'll admit I was hard on him'. HaHAAAA.
Youngirish - 'one or two good CL games in about 20' . Good lad. Utter rubbish. I'm no statto but I know its a damn sight more than that.

Dodge - 'anon today apart from cross for goal'. Far from anon mate. Like the team he struggled in 1st half with wind, bumpy pitch, physical hibs. Still showed for and saw plenty of the ball even if his control let him down a bit. He had an all round good second half. Far from anonymous.
And someone mentioned 'oh but the cross for the goal came at one nil'. Hibs were hardly down and out, it was a hard fought game and is that not what good players do - turn the screw and extend your lead while on top for a period???

Seems the posters who don't watch him regularly want to have a cut at those who do by harping on about how he's not world class yet(no says he is or even will be) and he's playing in a gash league. A lot of these are LOI fans too going by avatars. If the SPL is so gash what about the one you follow? Do you even like the football you go to watch or is it just an exclusivity thing?

Stuttgart has a balanced view on things as I believe he actually watches a lot of the games the player in question plays in. For interested neutrals I'd take his view before those who can't forget Brat/Prague.

I watch all potential Irish players - and Irish players who feature on TV. I would love to watch Owen Garvan or James Mc Carthy but the option is unavailable to me. As far as I can see, this young man, Mc Geady is confounding his critics week in week out for Celtic. I do not buy this 'SPL is rubbish' talk. You can only beat who is put in front of you. He is now having to beat the two men opposition teams now put on him. I stand by my assertition that he is technically the best irish player since Brady. he is still 21. Get behind him and support him. Cristiano Ronaldo is a similar type player and as a Man Utd fan, I've had to endure frustrating performance after frustrating performance but he was/still is on a learning curve. To quote Beckett: "ever tried, every failed, no matter, try again, fail again, fail better". Mc Geady will make more mistakes and he will learn from them. If I could advise him, I would simply point him to a Behan quote: "Fcuk the begrudgers" because it seems that there are unfortunately too many of them on this site....

[Billsthoughts]

Hence the comments on Irish players at club level. It would be a whole lot quieter if we only spoke about performances in international games. Would you prefer that we had a Celtic forum to talk about McGeady's club appearances? And a Man City one to talk about Dunne and Ireland's club performances, and a Reading one to talk about Long, Hunt, and Doyle's club performances?If they haven't been "much cop up until now" that must mean his recent perfomances have been "much cop", correct? So why do you want to see player in form dropped?Seems like you don't want to hear the opinion of Celtic fans, or people who have been watching McGeady play for Celtic. Should the opinions of Man City fans, or people who have watched Man City games, be disregarded in the Stephen Ireland thread?

Jesus ...where to begin indeed....
1)Please see earlier comments about issues I'd have with his club form.
2)No it doesnt mean his recent performances have been much cop. It means Im not writing off his career Im just saying he had his chances ,didnt take them and has fallen down the pecking order.
3)On an Ireland forum you would expect his performances for Ireland to form the basis of most peoples opinion of him.
4)never said I didnt want to hear the opinions of Celtic fans. Where did I say that? Point it out.

[tetsujin1979]

Jesus ...where to begin indeed....
1)Please see earlier comments about issues I'd have with his club form.

I hope the new manager has a better opinion of club form influencing squad selection. Would you have a problem with him picking Clinton Morrison based on his recent Ireland performances?

2)No it doesnt mean his recent performances have been much cop. It means Im not writing off his career Im just saying he had his chances ,didnt take them and has fallen down the pecking order.

I would think he took his chance quite well against Brazil

3)On an Ireland forum you would expect his performances for Ireland to form the basis of most peoples opinion of him.

So we should only have an opinion of his ability based on the 8-10 games Ireland play in a year, as opposed to the approximiately 60 club games he'll play in the same time?

4)never said I didnt want to hear the opinions of Celtic fans. Where did I say that? Point it out.

You disregard the anyone's opinion of McGeady, if it's based on watching him play for Celtic.

[Billsthoughts]

I hope the new manager has a better opinion of club form influencing squad selection. Would you have a problem with him picking Clinton Morrison based on his recent Ireland performances?
I would think he took his chance quite well against Brazil
So we should only have an opinion of his ability based on the 8-10 games Ireland play in a year, as opposed to the approximiately 60 club games he'll play in the same time?
You disregard the anyone's opinion of McGeady, if it's based on watching him play for Celtic.

please stop putting words in my mouth. read previous posts

[eirebhoy]

Celtic's Aiden McGeady has been named Clydesdale Bank Premier League player of the month for February.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ic/7273750.stm

[boovidge]

Aiden McGeady, Scotland's player of the month for February - and favourite to take the Player of the Year accolade - has one fear about tomorrow night's return meeting with Barcelona in the Nou Camp

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mai.../sfghib103.xml

[kingdom hoop]

please stop putting words in my mouth. read previous posts

Ah relax Bill, people exaggerate opposing opinions all the time:

But your (eirebhoy) saying he should walk into the Ireland team on the back of a freindly game against Brazil. Thats ridiculous.

Leaving contradictions aside, I don't buy into the "I don't give a damn about club form, Ireland performances are all that matter" argument. Reminds me a bit of the old bouncer trick of refusing entry on account of not being a regular at the given establishment.

There's a balance to be struck. However not picking a player who had a poor last game for Ireland but is in great form for his club wouldn't be the approach I'd take, especially if the hypothetical player was only cutting his teeth at international level. (disclaimer: not saying that's your argument Bill. )

[Stuttgart88]

Isn't it all academic now anyway? New manager, new ideas etc. Doesn't everyone start with a clean slate?

I'm sure Trap & Tardelli will take a good look at the players over the coming months and look at the Delaney DVDs and make a professional judgment.

[kingdom hoop]

Isn't it all academic now anyway?

Have you never looked at my avatar?

But yeah it's a good point. You'd imagine Trap will quickly discern how inept Stan was and adjudge any 'performances' under him as being subject to severe mitigating circumstances.

[Wolfie]

A healthy dose of realism there. McGeady is, without doubt, a talented player with a lot of potential. I think he has a fair bit to go to live up to some of the purple prose that's been written here at times.

Wayne Rooney is a young player who has delivered World Class performances at both club and international level. That's the benchmark - and McGeady has yet to achieve that level, most certainly on a consistent basis.

Some of my above post being taken a little out of context.

My point was, if you are going to describe a player as "World Class" or attach any manner of superlatives to a player - you've got to have a point of reference.

I mentioned Rooney in the sense that he truly is a young World Class player and is universally recognised as such. I'm aware he's the exception to the rule. That level of ability is the benchmark for the mantle of "World Class" IMO.

It's not a direct comparison between Mcgeady and Rooney per se. I could have mentioned Messi in order to illustrate the point.

I think phrases such as "World Class" and "Genius" are bandied around too often.

McGeady has shown some undoubted improvement and could go on to become a hell of a player. In the here and now - he's not the finished article. That's fair comment.

Some measured and honest appraisal of McGeady doesn't have to be construed as negative or an attempt to knock the player.

[Billsthoughts]

[QUOTE=kingdom hoop;889405]Ah relax Bill, people exaggerate opposing opinions............QUOTE]

No I always think players should be picked on the basis of their assists/goal scored ratio in comparison to players picked at random from other countries.


Its not a case of dismissing club form. Its a case of taking into account hes had great club form before and been annonymous for Ireland. Whos to say it will be any different now? Good player. Totally unproven at international level yet.

[geysir]

Its not a case of dismissing club form. Its a case of taking into account hes had great club form before and been annonymous for Ireland. Whos to say it will be any different now? Good player. Totally unproven at international level yet.

Not many would disagree with much of that, nevertheless there is enough evidence in a couple of the games that he has earned the right to be in the squad and in the pecking order for both wings. Duff is the main man then we have Hunt and McGeady or vice versa.
As Stutts says It's up to Trap now, to run the slide rule over midfield, one winger or 2 wingers, McGeady starting, or coming on as a sub or sitting on his árse for 90mins.
I trust in Trap.

[paul_oshea]

I trust in Trap.

I'm assuming you used that sentence for a reason, its certainly catchy and comes across as a phrase, I like it. We trust in Trap, has a ring for a song to it.

Bottle_of_Tonic -> if you read between the lines, it wasn't a case of me saying oh well if he has one good game then everything done before is fine, it was more of a case, that all the hype ppl on here ( Celtic fans mainly ) were giving mcgeady, that if he was that good, he would get MOTM against Barcelona if he really IS that good ( currently not saying he can't be) and if he was capable of getting MOTM against Barcelona he was capable of anything. A little bit more to it.

[BigmanCas]

Not many would disagree with much of that, nevertheless there is enough evidence in a couple of the games that he has earned the right to be in the squad and in the pecking order for both wings. Duff is the main man then we have Hunt and McGeady or vice versa.
As Stutts says It's up to Trap now, to run the slide rule over midfield, one winger or 2 wingers, McGeady starting, or coming on as a sub or sitting on his árse for 90mins.
I trust in Trap.

He has, this year developed a consistency. For those who don't know, the young lad is 21 so he is allowed to improve. I forget who posted it, but recently someone said that 'he is nearly 22 and anyway that is relatively old for a winger' or something along those lines - horsesiht. He is without doubt our most consistent attacking player at club level at present. Duff is not firing on all cylinders with Newcastle at the moment and S Hunt is not exactly setting the premiership alight at the Madjeski with his vast arrays of skill - tongue in cheek. Facts are - you are only as good as your last game. Mcgeadys last game for Ireland was against Brazil were he produced a 'man of the match' (on the Irish side) display. His performance against Hibs at the weekend was also worthy of the man of the match albeit he was just pipped by Scott Brown. Forget about Bratislava and Prague. Both games are in the past. Lets all enjoy the talents of Mc Geady and what he can potentially bring to the irish team under Trapp - which i might add will be a helluva lot more than that Mr Hunt and Mr Duff on current form.

[paul_oshea]

You cant just say forget those games, when people are going to make judgements on how he played for Ireland bigmancas! How else can one discuss the player otherwise?!

Irish supporters ( Not celtic supporters ) only see him playing for Ireland and judge him on this, bar possibly a hanful of games for celtic in the CL or old firm derbies.

[NeilMcD]

Surely every game that he has played is in the past.

[RogerMilla]

mcgeady has been improvign steadily for celtic and will improve in the green if he is given enough time , stan was a fool to play him against the czechs after a poor performance against the slovaks, he has done well in our last two games against wales and brazil and will deffo improve ,

[RogerMilla]

Do you even like the football you go to watch or is it just an exclusivity thing?
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sadly for a lot of posters on this board it is an exclusivity thing , i can think of one poster in particular who has since been banned.