The Sunderland 'Craze'

**dcfcsteve** · 03/09/2007, 8:15 PM

Originally Posted by Fingal hoop

yeah Hibs are so Irish they tried to ban celtic flying the tricolour

That doesn't re-write history or erase their very clear Irish heritage.

**dcfcsteve** · 03/09/2007, 8:18 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

That's if Hibs actively sought to exploit the Oirish feeling in this land, and whore themselves out as some sort of extention of what it means to be Irish, which they don't, because they realise they are Scottish first and foremost, and want little or no part of the Union Jack vs Tricolour nonsense that has invaded the Old Firm and Tynecastle. Doesn't mean they deny their Irish roots at all though

Indeed. There are many in Celtic's ranks who wouldn't be there without the whole sectarian tomfoolery, and would hate the day they couldn't hate Rangers fundamentally because they're prods.

But that's all for another sub-forum.....

**SunderlandBohs** · 04/09/2007, 9:43 AM

dcfcsteve, before start bad mouthing me, understand where I'm coming from. I've family who live in the Sunderland area. My Grandfather & Dad have been travelling over to Sunderland since the 60's. I've a lot of mates over there & have friends who live in Ireland who come from Sunderland. I've mates who are born & bred in Newcastle too.I know a hell of lot more about Tyne & Wear than you do. My neighbour is from Gateshead & he's a Newcastle season ticket holder & one of my best mates. If you really did live in either Sunderland or Newcastle you'd understand the passion of the people for there cities & there football clubs. I know plenty of people from Sunderland who work in Newcastle & who work for Northern Rock or Sports World. But plenty of people work from Cork & Meath work in Dublin it doesn't mean they like the place.Yes I'm Irish by birth but my background is Sunderland.

**P�d Von Tirpitz** · 04/09/2007, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs

But plenty of people work from Cork & Meath work in Dublin it doesn't mean they like the place.

And if that dislike stems from rivalries with Dublin sports teams then those people are idiots.

**cheifo** · 04/09/2007, 11:21 AM

Sunderlandbohs you are clearly a genuine football supporter and the difference is that you have an interest in the Eircom league.When the Irish influence is gone from Sunderland, you will still be their fan while the recent Irish people going over won't.The problem is the thousands of Irish people who consider themselves knowledgable football
heads who will not for love nor money attend games of Irish teams.If your football interest is soley devoted to watching it on the telly with a couple of trips over every season then how can you be a real fan ffs.
The ones who really get on my nerves are the smug faces in the pub when England are getting beat yet will not cross the road to watch their local team.The knock on result is poor media coverage, little influence on Gov investment, no tax incentives for potential investors and Irish football suffers.
Enjoy watching The Premiership by all means(people in other countries do)
but if your a real football fan then you should also support Irish football teams.

**pete** · 04/09/2007, 11:38 AM

I think craze is the wrong term. This is more like a Sunderland fad as will soon be over when people realise there are better random English clubs to choose.

Think about it. Since you have no connection to any Premier League club you get to choose. Why choose a rubbish team from North East of england. At least pick a team who can win games or from big city with good shopping...

**SunderlandBohs** · 04/09/2007, 12:12 PM

The media are making the whole Sund-Ireland hype sound great & there's huge interest over here. But it's just a little interest in how they're doing. If we're still struggling by Christmas the hype will be over. These people only follow sucessful football clubs, something in which Sunderland hasn't been in over 50years. Most of these people will never step foot in a LOI ground & to be honest we don't need them. When you look at Sweden, Norway & Denmark, people follow two teams. One local & one foreign. Why can't it be the same here?

**pete** · 04/09/2007, 1:31 PM

Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs

When you look at Sweden, Norway & Denmark, people follow two teams. One local & one foreign. Why can't it be the same here?

Good example. Scandinavians seem to be as much into the EPL as anywhere. In fact probably more english games shown on tv over there too.

**NY Hoop** · 04/09/2007, 1:49 PM

Originally Posted by pete

Good example. Scandinavians seem to be as much into the EPL as anywhere. In fact probably more english games shown on tv over there too.

True but at least they support their own team first. Not all Scandinavians support two clubs. As Dolan rightly said "You cant support two clubs".

KOH

**lofty9** · 04/09/2007, 1:58 PM

Originally Posted by pete

Good example. Scandinavians seem to be as much into the EPL as anywhere. In fact probably more english games shown on tv over there too.

They are, but, Scandanavians have decent support at their games thus have a higher standard of football than here. They have better stadia and don't have €10,000's coming out of it's economy from people who refuse to invest their time and money in anything local. They have a distict passion for their own local clubs AS WELL as EPL team. They will not laugh at someone for supporting their local team. I don't have a problem with guys supporting English/Scottish teams if they support their own first

As long as we have our dinner at home it doesn't matter where we get our appetitie.

**Dodge** · 04/09/2007, 2:05 PM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

True but at least they support their own team first. Not all Scandinavians support two clubs. As Dolan rightly said "You cant support two clubs".

You mean as self confessed Arsenal fan Dolan said...

**oriel** · 04/09/2007, 2:25 PM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

True but at least they support their own team first.

Exactly, and you can be sure they dont have the same cringo phone in shows like Today fm have after 5 on a sat with irish 'fans' of liverpool/man utd and even lower div sides like wolves, chartlon (I have heard them) calling in from kerry/mayo etc, all using the 'WE' term when going on about uk football.

The every same morons would be down their local and would be anti england when they play international football.

Total embarrassment

**Jerry The Saint** · 04/09/2007, 2:49 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

You mean as self confessed Arsenal fan Dolan said...

Dolan likes lots of clubs - Arsenal, Walsall, Reading, Wexford Youths, Rebel Army, Derry City. But, as he said, he doesn't like St. Pats - he LOVES St. Pats.

**Neish** · 04/09/2007, 2:57 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint

Dolan likes lots of clubs - Arsenal, Walsall, Reading, Wexford Youths, Rebel Army, Derry City. But, as he said, he doesn't like St. Pats - he LOVES St. Pats.

He also seen at Finn Park every now and again

**NY Hoop** · 04/09/2007, 3:57 PM

Originally Posted by oriel

Exactly, and you can be sure they dont have the same cringo phone in shows like Today fm have after 5 on a sat with irish 'fans' of liverpool/man utd and even lower div sides like wolves, chartlon (I have heard them) calling in from kerry/mayo etc, all using the 'WE' term when going on about uk football.

The every same morons would be down their local and would be anti england when they play international football.

Total embarrassment

All true. See my sig.

KOH

**Dodge** · 04/09/2007, 7:32 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint

Dolan likes lots of clubs - Arsenal, Walsall, Reading, Wexford Youths, Rebel Army, Derry City. But, as he said, he doesn't like St. Pats - he LOVES St. Pats.

He's only human after all...

**bennocelt** · 04/09/2007, 8:42 PM

Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs

True! It's annoying. Or even worse is the 'You must be a Roy Keane fan?' No, I'm a Sunderland fan, the only reason I like Keane is because he's our manager & if result don't improve that might change! The worst of all is the sad Man Utd fans buying Sunderland tops! It's got that bad I sometimes fly over from Belfast to avoid the morons at Dublin airport. By the way Cupcakes, going to see Sunderland play & heading into Newcastle for a night shows what kind of fan you are. No Sunderland fan would step foot in that hole! That's how the rivalry is. That boils my p*ss! The only good thing to come out of Newcastle is the Metro!

that does sound a bit fickle

**bennocelt** · 04/09/2007, 8:48 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

Lads this is nothing new, and it's hardly a Sunderland Craze, these morons will follow Roy Keane wherever he goes, it has nothing to do with 'supporting Irish players who don't play in Ireland'

i dont think there is anything moronic about following the progress of one of Irelans greatest football players, for many he is a legend. end of

**SkStu** · 04/09/2007, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by bennocelt

that does sound a bit fickle

he is a Bohs fan ffs!

**Fingal hoop** · 04/09/2007, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

That's if Hibs actively sought to exploit the Oirish feeling in this land, and whore themselves out as some sort of extention of what it means to be Irish, which they don't, because they realise they are Scottish first and foremost, and want little or no part of the Union Jack vs Tricolour nonsense that has invaded the Old Firm and Tynecastle. Doesn't mean they deny their Irish roots at all though

but it does cast a shadow on the claim that hibs are the true irish team in scotland
maybe the Irish in glasgow had it ougher than those in edinburgh & thats why they cling on to their roots more-