Attendences

**wws** · 01/07/2003, 4:11 PM

citys crowds are good and I'm not disputing that I'm just pouring cold water over these estimates as they contribute little in the way of hard fact to the attendance debate and actually a pain in the arse to me

**wws** · 02/07/2003, 9:30 AM

Originally posted by wws
chippie posted this on the bohs board
he is a bohs member

shows how out fans estimations are in nearly all cases:

http://gypsiesweb.proboards14.com/in...num=1057059492

nearly all those figures in this thread are completely unreliable in my book

your estimate for bohs city was wrong by a full 800 people compared to the official attendance
still think fans estimates are a good idea?

**patsh** · 02/07/2003, 10:56 AM

This is just another attempt to have another niggle at Dolan, wws.
It's a fact that City do get an average attendance of close on 5K this season.
It's immaterial wheither you agree with it or not.
Get over your petty obsession with Dolan, for f*cks sake...

**wws** · 02/07/2003, 12:06 PM

bloody hell

ure dumbness has reached new depths
I'm actually on topic here oddboy
as in I'm queying the merit of an estimated attendance thread
I''m not on about city/dolan/the price of milk or anything else
bar one point: the inaccuracy of fans guesstimates for ALL the above matches.

pete being out by 800 is a pretty strong argument to back up what I'm saying.

Now who's obssessed with dolan oddboy, you 've obviously got him on the brain if you somehow managed to extract that from my posts in this thread.

OBSSESSED!

Neil · 02/07/2003, 12:19 PM

Look! you've just mentioned Dolan TWICE again!

Jeeze! Get over it ya jackeen...

**wws** · 02/07/2003, 1:55 PM

attendances neil, a t t e n d a n c e s
try to stay on topic pulleeease

**pineapple stu** · 02/07/2003, 5:32 PM

It's a fair point, although if we all seem to be overestimating, and all by say 400-500, at least the table will show the best-supported clubs and give others an idea as to who's struggling. And annual trends should be reasonable as well.

Obviously it's fairly arbitrary, but it's better than nothing.

With regards club officials, whenever I ask the UCD officials what the gate was, they can only reply in terms of "There were x people paid" or "The gate receipts were so much", so officials' estimates can ignore season ticket holders, press and assorted other people who get in for free which the casual fan would pick up, and so those estimates can be too low.

**Dodge** · 03/07/2003, 8:29 AM

Well several English clubs take it for granted that season ticket holders go to games. For clubs like Pats, Bohs , Cork etc where you buy tickets and then go to gate, we should have definite figures. Bring on UEFA licensing

**Macy** · 03/07/2003, 9:07 AM

Originally posted by pete
Round 12:
Longford v Shel$

I'd say just 1800-2000 out in Mullologher on Tuesday...

**patsh** · 03/07/2003, 2:01 PM

Originally posted by wws
bloody hell

ure dumbness has reached new depths

OBSSESSED!

Not sure who "ure dumbness" is, (maybe he was associated with Ultravox ?), but it certainly is easy to get you going.
One mention of Pat, and off you go...

to quote your own words...OBSSESSED!

**Macy** · 03/07/2003, 2:27 PM

Originally posted by pineapple stu
It's a fair point, although if we all seem to be overestimating, and all by say 400-500, at least the table will show the best-supported clubs and give others an idea as to who's struggling. And annual trends should be reasonable as well.

Obviously it's fairly arbitrary, but it's better than nothing.

With regards club officials, whenever I ask the UCD officials what the gate was, they can only reply in terms of "There were x people paid" or "The gate receipts were so much", so officials' estimates can ignore season ticket holders, press and assorted other people who get in for free which the casual fan would pick up, and so those estimates can be too low.

I tend to err on the side of caution with mine.... so thats no good.... Basically if some clubs are over estimating, and others being accrurate it's not even reliable for that - you're talking of an error margin of 16-17% for most clubs....

With regards season tickets - I think most clubs in England count season tickets for every match.... Personally I think this is acceptable as in effect a ticket has been sold for the game....

btw Dodge do Pats season tickets have to get a ticket as well, or just show their card?

**TommyT** · 03/07/2003, 7:04 PM

wws this thread has been largely free of the ''we had four thousand youse had forty'' type comments. Your right though a lot of fans see attendences in terms of yet more one upmanship and show ridiculous bias when estimating them. The estimate I did myself of Rovers average last season was confirmed by Maguire at one of the public meetings.

Pete club chairmen are likely to be aware how many sponsors etc come in so would have a better idea than you seem to believe. It seems obvious off the telly that corks crowds aren't quite at the height they were last year but a lot of City fans just go on arguing in favour of bloated rounded figures. Tht said I'd agree the average is almost definitely over 4500.

**Dr.Nightdub** · 05/07/2003, 6:34 PM

I'd say 2250 for Derry-Pats the other night: 1000 in the shed, 800 in the stand, 150 Pats and 300 between all those schoolboy teams to the left of where we were

**Slash/ED** · 05/07/2003, 8:26 PM

Shels Drogheda was a poor crowd, around 2000/2250 I'd say, then again I'm normally useless at judgeing these things.

**Dr.Nightdub** · 12/07/2003, 12:28 PM

I'd guess 4200 for Pats-Shels last night. Stand was full but not spilling over into the aisles, Camac was jointed but not as much as against Rovers or Bohs, hardly anyone in the Shed, usual smattering at the turnstile end.