Roy Curtis....how does he get away with it?

**passinginterest** · 27/11/2006, 1:53 PM

Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy

We'll just have to disagree so. In the meantime, I've a rake of Beanos and Dandys you are welcome to!

The constant attacks, on more than one forum, of people who choose to read tabloids are childish in the extreme. Most of the people posting on these forums are well educated and capable of making valid and interesting arguments. Attacking their choice of reading material is pointless. Most people don't rely on the, so called, 'gutter press' alone for their information, instead they take in news and views form various sources in order to form valid opinions. Restricting yourself to reading 'The Times' or other such 'respected' sources every day will result in a very narrow world view. Stop insulting genuine posts, if your not going to make any attempt to contribute to debates in a meaningful way stay out of them and stick to reading the comics.

**cheifo** · 27/11/2006, 3:17 PM

Good grief Charlie Brown! what is it with Curtis and the constant stream of outlandish analogies?Vary it man, for God sake vary it.

**Billsthoughts** · 27/11/2006, 3:53 PM

Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy

We'll just have to disagree so. In the meantime, I've a rake of Beanos and Dandys you are welcome to!

I did actually smile at this...

**Wolfie** · 27/11/2006, 3:58 PM

Not read many of Roy Curtis articles - but the old refrain of "there's no such thing as bad publicity" springs to mind.

His editor wants him to sell papers, many of us may put little or no credence on what is being said - but it appears some are reading the articles just to see what sh*&te he's writing about this week. The way papers function, they'd be quite happy with that result.

It only makes them stronger, the swines!!

**Wolfie** · 27/11/2006, 4:38 PM

Same here - the Indo was the always purchased at home.

Used to always love Con Houlihan's much missed articles on the back of the Evening Press. I remember he once wrote:

"John Sheridan worked like a Beaver and tackled like a tiger. PS - I have seen neither of these animals play football".

Another gem was how Con described how Jack Charlton tended to struggle with players names. Con wrote that Jack Charlton had once referred to his first choice goalkeeper as "Bonny Packer".

You just don't get that quality anymore.

**Donal81** · 27/11/2006, 8:29 PM

Bit of an exception here as work requires me to read most papers, including the local ones...If I had to choose, I'd go for the Irish Times, attention to detail from a sporting and political point of view is excellent. It can be foolishly stuffy a lot of the time, though, it should take its lead from some English and US newspapers who mix decent journalism with a sense of craic.

The Herald is a rag and if anyone on here who buys it actually experienced the Evening Herald newsroom, you'd change your mind fairly quickly.

The Star has its moments but is ultimately just another red-top rag. This is all subjective, obviously, but tabloids aren't newspapers, as far as I'm concerned. That's not snobbery, just an opinion, I don't think they're sold for their news content.

**Billsthoughts** · 28/11/2006, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Tuff Paddy

. I've worked in more newsrooms than I care to remember, .

If you actually have some "insider" knowledge of the industry spit it out and dont hint at what was probably just a tea boy role...

personally I just buy the herald for the star signs...I think Fergus Gibson is probably one of the best journalists around at the moment...

**Wolfie** · 28/11/2006, 1:01 PM

That's what's required........Fergus Gibson on Ireland's future qualifiers..

"I see a stadium in Drumcondra.......wait..wait......the oppositions centre forward is haring down on Irelands goal........yes! he's Cypriot.......he's on a hat-trick"

**Den Perry** · 30/11/2006, 8:39 PM

Originally Posted by Wolfie

That's what's required........Fergus Gibson on Ireland's future qualifiers..

"I see a stadium in Drumcondra.......wait..wait......the oppositions centre forward is haring down on Irelands goal........yes! he's Cypriot.......he's on a hat-trick"

Ha!good one

**Den Perry** · 30/11/2006, 8:45 PM

Originally Posted by Wolfie

Same here - the Indo was the always purchased at home.

Used to always love Con Houlihan's much missed articles on the back of the Evening Press. I remember he once wrote:

"John Sheridan worked like a Beaver and tackled like a tiger. PS - I have seen neither of these animals play football".

Another gem was how Con described how Jack Charlton tended to struggle with players names. Con wrote that Jack Charlton had once referred to his first choice goalkeeper as "Bonny Packer".

You just don't get that quality anymore.

on a daily basis I'd vary from Sun to Indo to times to STar. On sat I buy Racing post, the Sun and the Financial Times weekender (foot ball coverage isn't great)

And the on the Sabbath I read nes of world (gives better match reports than any other), Indo (I like fanning and Declan Lynch) Times and of Course the Sunday World so I can see what that Fool has to write

**Billsthoughts** · 01/12/2006, 11:21 AM

Declan lynch is brilliant. they dont use him half as much as they should. he should be the main football writer.

**NY Hoop** · 01/12/2006, 11:37 AM

Fanning is a joke. Wonder how he got the job?

KOH

**lionelhutz** · 01/12/2006, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

An incredible ****. Fanning "supports" liverpool so right there is a clue of his knowlege of the game. Muppets like him hope the national team loses so he can slag off the players and managers. And he calls himself Irish?

As someone else says dont buy the tabloids.

KOH

Ok, firstly the sunday indo is not a tabloid - its a broadsheet. Secondly, I support Liverpool so you're calling me and thousands of other Irishmen muppets? My bet is you probably support Celtic due to their inherent ''Irishness'' even though theyre Scottish and don't have one Irish born player in their squad or in the management team rolleyes:

And finally, fannings articles are always honest and straight up - he gives credit where credit is due. And whenever he criticises a team/ manager I think he always has a fair point

**tetsujin1979** · 01/12/2006, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by lionelhutz

My bet is you probably support Celtic due to their inherent ''Irishness'' even though theyre Scottish and don't have one Irish born player in their squad or in the management team rolleyes:

Hate to be pedantic, but Dublin's Darren O'Dea has been a regular in the match day squad for the last few weeks, even was on the bench against United

**TonyD** · 01/12/2006, 1:13 PM

Don't read the Sunday "Worst" so I don't see Curtis articles. Cathal Dervan and Paul Hyland get my vote as the two worst football journalists. They both write absolute muck (although Hyland did a good article about the Rovers ground in Tallaght the other week

- imagine my surprise)

**Mento** · 01/12/2006, 6:34 PM

If you want to read news buy a newspaper, for sport buy a tabloid.

slate them all you want, but tabloids, although may be full of **** at times and do sometimes make up headlines for the back pages as someone said, still are the ones with breaking sports stories.

On a Thursday after a Wednesday international the star has a 12-page supplement on the match, which is damn good coverage. The sun and mirror will also have more than the BS.

Features are obviously better in broadsheets but for hardcore day to day stuff, where would we be without a tabloid to read while having an early morning Barry White?

**Donal81** · 02/12/2006, 3:50 PM

Originally Posted by Mento

If you want to read news buy a newspaper, for sport buy a tabloid.

slate them all you want, but tabloids, although may be full of **** at times and do sometimes make up headlines for the back pages as someone said, still are the ones with breaking sports stories.

On a Thursday after a Wednesday international the star has a 12-page supplement on the match, which is damn good coverage. The sun and mirror will also have more than the BS.

Features are obviously better in broadsheets but for hardcore day to day stuff, where would we be without a tabloid to read while having an early morning Barry White?

Although disagreeing on this is like disagreeing on what bands or films you like or dislike, heck I'll disagree with you anyway.

I find that a few pages in the Irish Times or Sunday Times on an international gives much much more info than any supplement in a tabloid. And I've worked for two tabloids (including one sports section), so I'm not just ranting here without having read the tabloids. There's some very good analysis in the Star but - overall - there's just too much sensationalist rubbish, not enough substance.

Good point on the Barry White though

**Stuttgart88** · 04/12/2006, 3:32 PM

For general sports writing the broadsheets win hands down in my opinion. I've relished reading about the Ashes and the post-autumn rugby internationals recently, especially the fallout in the English RFU.

Great reading. Writers like Martin Samuel, James Lawton and most of the Guardian's football writers are always worth a read in the UK press.

I think football is among the sports written about worst however, due to the inordinate hype around the game & probably also due to the tribal instincts of much of its readership.