I cant belive you have used there is never smoke without fire as a retort on a debate in relation to tabloid speculation on football transfers. Of course there is as another cliche is a newspaper does not refuse ink. These guys print anything and most of what they say in relation to transfers does not transpire to actually happen
Also 16 goals last season is hardly poor form he was one of the best players in the EPL between January and May last season.
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Do they hand out titles for your form between january and may?
Yeah I did use that...one cliche deserves another and all that...
Tabloids are usually very well informed and he was top of most of their speculation lists. I dont know the exact stats tho.
No they dont, but form is form and his form was good between January and May,. YOu said it his bad form was neverending, and I am stating that it has only started this season, and he was fantastic against Sheff Utd so his bad form has probably started since the Germany game which was about 4 or 5 weeks ago. I agree his form of the last 4/5 weeks has not been great.
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so we agree that the "player of the season" stat suggests a little more than the reality of the situation delivers?
Yeah I'd agree with that.Originally Posted by endabob1
I feel you're underestimating Reid. He's a central midfielder now and shouldn't be thought of as anything else. He may have started his Blackburn career on the right but he played in every position possible at Millwall. It appears he has found his position and I'm happy to have him.
How many competitive games do we play against top class opposition? I'm sure if he gets the chances he'll take them. It's up the manager to play him right and the team to create a few chances. Also, he did score against Switzerland but it was wrongly ruled out for offside.when was last competetive goal against top class opposition
Take out Euro 2004 and Wayne Rooney has scored against Macedonia and Liechtenstein in his entire career. Or Milan Baros who scored against Andorra, Macedonia, Finland and Armenia in the last qualifiers but couldn't score in the matches against Holland, Romania and playoff against Norway. They're honestly just 2 players that popped into my head but people seem to make a big fuss over Keane's international record which imo is excellent.
I don't think you'll see me trying to deny that.
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Ha ha, brilliant!!!
As for you're stats don't prove anything comment. WTF? Of course they do.
Careful Pete, thats awfully subordinate talk of you, the masses will erm, amass against you!
Stan is doomed either way, and em, I'm not too pushed, wouldn't mind a few days in Cyprus and catch a match (:
j'accuse!
Can you prove that ?Ha ha, brilliant!!!
As for you're stats don't prove anything comment. WTF? Of course they do.
with stats????
Henry scored 27 goals in the Premier League last year there by making him the league's top goalscorer.
Eirebhoy eat your heart out!!!
The denial that stats mean anything and they cant be used in a debate is very handy for people who dont back any debate with facts.
Most debates are based on opinions, facts and ability to get your point across. A combination that Eirebhoy has.
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The analysis of some sports like cricket, baseball, tennis & rugby (own lineouts lost etc.) benefits greatly from use of stats. Relying on stats in football is less conclusive. Personally I think they're useful but only up to a point. Understanding the game is far more important.
I do think eirebhoy's stats of Connolly with & without Robbie Keane told a good story though.
Anyway, stats can be manipulated to suit any purpose. Daryl Huff's "Lying With Statistics" from the 1950s is a classic on the subject. More recently "Fooled by Randomness" is supposed to be excellent. John Allen Paolos' "Innumeracy" is a brilliant book on how the masses' failure to understand simple maths leads to rash decision making, and just generally stupid behaviour. My mum thinks it's a co-incidence if she meets her neighbour out shopping, I tell her it's a statistical certainty!
Thats mad I met your mother out shopping too. She said hello.
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i actually think he is best in a central role and felt that he should of played more of a role up to now and espeically in WC2002 - altho in a wide role at the time. my point being that he is a decent player but i wouldn't overstate that by celebrating him as a finished article or even close to it. it may take him a while to become the finished article but he is as good as what is available. i don't think being the player of the year at blackburn is proof that he is a top preformer. i'll say it again teams like blackbun are mediocre in a european context. countries like cyprus have players playing in the greek league and IMO players in these leagues are not as far behind teams like blackburn as they once were.I feel you're underestimating Reid. He's a central midfielder now and shouldn't be thought of as anything else. He may have started his Blackburn career on the right but he played in every position possible at Millwall. It appears he has found his position and I'm happy to have him.
regarding robbie keane he is without doubt our best striker but again without his goals in friendlies, penalties and goals against group bottom feders his record is not as impressive as one would hope. the comparison of rooney is interesting as he is not really a 30-goal-a-season man but more of a 'number 10' or support striker which IMO is also robbies best role. obviously rooney contributes alot more than his goalscoring alone but the difference is that england have others to take on the goal scoring and at the moment we don't. baros on the other hand is again an average player and against good defenders usually rendered ineffective.
again my main point is not meant to critise individual players merely to point out that i think we have a limited squad with few outstanding players and therefore the managers job is not easy, not makin excuses for stan as only time will tell if he is any good, personally i hope he is but i have serious misgivings
i met he too ............. not out shopping though!!!!
appologies for that one but i couldn't resist
Well, she's a Celtic fan so you'd have had something to talk about.
Can we leave my mum out of it from now on pls?
Sorry Stuttgart, I did not want to go to that level, hope mine was taking for the innocent nature it was meant.
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mine was so ar below the belt that i skint my knuckles on the canvas and i have already appolgised - i won't revisit it
no offence taken
yet another dig neil but we will let it go.....
I dont agree . In fact I think they stifle debate about football if anything. Dismissing peoples opinions on the basis that you can qoute stats like number of passes completed is ridiculous in my opinion. The game is about opinions. I might think someone played rubbish you might say they played alrite. Quoting their stats for passes completed doesnt tell me anything. It might mean they always complete their passes or they always want to get rid of the ball.
who knows - who cares. Most people who enjoy the game just know!
fair point bill. you could have 90% passes completed in a game but have had little or no effect - could have gone sideways or backwards all day and someone could have a 40% accuracy while setting up 2 or 3 goals with class balls through the middle. similary a winger might have whipped in crosses all day but the lads up front could be useless thus destroying the wingers stats when in fact he could of been the best player on the pitch.
stats can be useful but only tell a part of the story - thats why you get match reports in words and not in a numerical format!
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