Tour de France

**wws** · 30/07/2006, 6:28 AM

Originally Posted by totalfootball

And your position remains completely absurd given how widespread doping is in US sport and given how tolerant of drug use so many US sporting authorities are. In baseball they didn't even ban performance-enhancing drugs until 2002, and even now a first offence only gets you a 10 day ban, a second offence gets you 30 days, a third offence just 60 days, etc. Laughable in comparison to how seriously the Spanish take it, and yet the English-speaking world continues with their obnoxious superiority complex about how much more honest they are than all these cheating foreigners, the Spaniards, the French, the Portugese... Only today yet another American, Justin Gatlin, has admitted that he also failed a drugs test earlier this year.

spot on

dodge hasnt a clue when it comes to doping

head in the sand stuff

**CollegeTillIDie** · 30/07/2006, 10:21 AM

The only ways for cycling to ever have credibility are the following a) revert to amateur status for a decade to purge the sport of drugs or b) give them all the same drug in the same dose and then at least have a level playing field.

**sligoman** · 30/07/2006, 5:11 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Scanlon's had another poxy year for injuries

I know Mark Scanlon's ex, she says that his career is going down-hill. Although she may be slightly biased in her opinion of him now

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**The Stars** · 31/07/2006, 5:21 PM

Originally Posted by sligoman

I know Mark Scanlon's ex, she says that his career is going down-hill. Although she may be slightly biased in her opinion of him now

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he has got back to winning ways with a stage win in some road race recently in Mayo,hardly the Tour but at least its a step in teh right direction.
If he can get a few seasons injury free,things might start happening for him again.

**Dodge** · 31/07/2006, 6:11 PM

Originally Posted by wws

spot on

dodge hasnt a clue when it comes to doping

head in the sand stuff

LOL! How? Where have I said ANYWHERE that Landis wasn't on drugs? I've said he's less likely than the Spanish but nowhere did I say he was "clean"

**Macy** · 02/08/2006, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by wws

kimmage doesnt even write about cycling - he doesnt even watch it anymore

Explains why he thought Landis' ride was a "miracle" rather than sh�te tactics from other teams.

Whoever said the solution was to make cycling amateur to clean it, well it hasn't worked keeping local examples of supposed national sports "clean".

**lopez** · 07/08/2006, 3:44 PM

Originally Posted by wws

...dodge hasnt a clue when it comes to doping...

Dunno about that. He's got more than a clue about acting a dope.

Dodge, do us a favour. If you don't want to appear as some small minded racist pr*ck, have a little decency and produce some evidence to back up your arguments.

Originally Posted by totalfootball

...the English-speaking world continues with their obnoxious superiority complex about how much more honest they are than all these cheating foreigners, the Spaniards, the French, the Portugese...

First drug cheat 'caught' at the Tour? Tom Simpson (Britain) whose speed riddled body collapsed on the slopes of Mount Ventoux in 1967.

**NY Hoop** · 08/08/2006, 1:45 PM

Phonak have history though. The 1998 World Champion Oscar Camenzind retired after giving a positive dope test. They had a clear out of staff last year but doenst seem to have worked.

How credible are Landis' excuses now?:

Landis fires back at cycling hierachy

By Sal Ruibal, USA TODAY

Embattled Tour de France champion Floyd Landis says he's been treated unfairly by cycling's international governing body and can't properly defend himself against charges he used illegal doping products to win the race.
In his first interview after his second, or "B" urine sample was reported Saturday to be positive for synthetic testosterone and an out-of-limits testosterone-to-epitestosterone level, Landis lashed out at officials of the Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) and the World Anti-Doping Agency for giving information on his case to the media while not providing him with reports on his test results.

The results of his initial test were made public July 27.

"I just got the information on the 'A' sample a day and half ago," he said. "I had to find out about the 'B' from reading it in the media."

Landis also pointed out that American sprinter Justin Gatlin's positive "A" test for an illegal testosterone ratio was not announced by track and field officials for three months, "while I had only two days to react to mine. (UCI head) Pat McQuaid said he had to release mine before the lab leaked it."

He also pointed out that his remarkable comeback performance on Stage 17 — the stage where his positive tests came from — was not an anomaly, but his doping tests were.

"I put in more than 20,000 kilometers of training for the Tour. I won the Tour of California, Paris-Nice and the Tour de Georgia. I was tested eight times at the Tour (de France); four times before that stage and three times after, including three blood tests. Only one came back positive.

"Nobody in their right mind would take testosterone just once; it doesn't work that way."

The 30-year-old racer says the biggest mistake he did make was responding to media reports as they surfaced, giving the impression he was coming up with new excuses daily.

"I've been catching a lot of grief in the press: 'Floyd has a new excuse, a new reason for what happened.' This is a situation where I'm forced to defend myself in the media. It would never have happened if UCI and WADA had followed their own rules," Landis said.

"There's some kind of agenda there," he said wearily. "I just don't know what it is."

Describing himself as "reasonable and logical," Landis refuses to see himself as a victim in the case and says there's "zero chance" someone from his Phonak team either inadvertently or purposely gave him synthetic testosterone.

Landis will undergo hip replacement surgery in about two weeks, then prepare for a hearing before the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency sometime in the next month. He has not received notice from USADA.

"Something bad happened to me," he says, "but bicycle racing is the most beautiful sport in the world. I want to remain part of it."

He longs to ride his bike but says that is impossible because of the media crush around his home.

"I need to (ride), believe me," he said. "That will be the best day of the week if that happens."

KOH

**dahamsta** · 10/08/2006, 6:36 AM

Originally Posted by lopez

Dunno about that. He's got more than a clue about acting a dope.

Dodge, do us a favour. If you don't want to appear as some small minded racist pr*ck, have a little decency and produce some evidence to back up your arguments.

Banned for a week for personal abuse. Around long enough to know better.

**Dodge** · 10/08/2006, 9:29 AM

Didn't see that post.

To answer it do a google search for banned cyclists and see how many are spanish.

**dahamsta** · 14/08/2006, 1:36 PM

totalfootball, please drop the prejudice claim, it's totally over the top for what was actually said, given that Dodge has explained what he meant. Also please stop playing the "bad moderator" card, Dodge isn't moderating this thread (yet), he's just posting in it; moderators have opinions too.

Dodge, do me a favour and either post a few links backing up what you said, or move on please?

adam

**dahamsta** · 14/08/2006, 2:11 PM

I've asked Dodge to post some links to back up his claim or drop it. I don't expect an instant response. I would expect you to wait a reasonable amount of time, like a civilised person, and not rant at me like a lunatic.

adam

**osarusan** · 14/08/2006, 2:27 PM

Originally Posted by totalfootball

I have not been ranting at you like a 'lunatic'. I was responding to your post, the first part of which was addressed to me. I only responded to the parts addressed to me.

I thought personal insults were banned on this board. Your behaviour is disgraceful.

Playing with fire here mate.

**dahamsta** · 14/08/2006, 2:43 PM

Originally Posted by totalfootball

I have not been ranting at you like a 'lunatic'. I was responding to your post, the first part of which was addressed to me. I only responded to the parts addressed to me.

Read the second part of the post then, where I asked Dodge to respond to your post. And have a bit of patience.

I thought personal insults were banned on this board. Your behaviour is disgraceful.

That's not a personal insult, it's a statement: your behaviour is ridiculous and unacceptable. Now calm down and stop ranting.

adam

**Dodge** · 14/08/2006, 3:10 PM

FFS you get one busy monday in work...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Puerto
And the links at the bottom of that page

Full coverage of Operation Puerto from cycling news

More reading
The Perfect Storm - Eurosport
Include's timeline of recent drugs scandals/developments in cycling

Spanish scandal not limited to cycling - USA Today

Inside the Blood Doping Investigation Ergogenics.org
"For years Spain has been considered a paradise for athletes open to doping..."

Doctor in Cycling Probe denies charges AP report in San Francisco Chronicle - available elsewhere too

Spanish cycling official has long had doubtsVelonews
"The police operation was necessary. We had gone astray in anti-doping issues in Spain"

And for the record I never once claimed Landis was clean. I responded to "I hope Landis is exposed as the cheat he is and the Tour is given to the deserved winner Periero." posted by finlma with my line that Landis is more likely to be clean than any of the Spanish cyclists. The point of that line was to show how ridiculous finlma's OTT "deserved winner" claim, as noether he, nor anyone else can be 100% certain Periero wasn't on drugs. Once again, for the record, I don't care who/who does not take drugs in cycling.

Lopez popped in because he thought I was having a go at the Spanish people (totally incorrect) and totalfootball got so far up his own arse he start taking offence at everything. I'm not predjudiced againt Spanish cycling BUT more spanish cyclists have been banned for drugs offences than anyone else. The majority of other nationalities have been with Spanish teams. Not all spanish cyclists obviously (and that comment was obviously throwaway but it seems some people have no common sense here). Take that as a personal insult if you want.

I'm now leaving the thread, couldn't care less what you think of that or me. If anyone wants to talk to me about cycling or drugs in sport, PM me. If you're not thick I'll respond

**dahamsta** · 14/08/2006, 3:27 PM

Honest to god. I asked you to stop because I wanted Dodge to reply, how can you not get this? Is your entire purpose in life railing against some bizarre perception that everyone is out to get you?

Dodge has responded now, either get back on topic or find another website to post on. If you insist on continuing with this tirade, you won't be able to post on Foot.ie any more.

And finally: I provide this site as a service to the community, for free. I'll say what I damned well please.

adam