There are a fair few who might not be pro Putin but are not exactly very pro Ukraine either , take Sinn Fein for example Posts moved from the Nations League thread to here Political discussion only in this thread. Any posts outside this thread will be deleted immediately. No warnings.
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I don't think hypotheticals are really helpful here to be honest.Originally Posted by Glen Of Aherlow
Fair clarification. I don't think it helps debate to be referring to what people are doing on another site (be it YBIG, Twitter, etc). For me, it feels Eirambler is arguing against a point none of us here are making, which can only lead to confusion and frustration.
I'm not nearly intelligent enough to be telling other people what they should or should not (and why) be doing with their time.
I'll be at the match. I'm very glad that the match in Dublin* is the second game.
*for now
If I question Liam Scales ability to play intl football, refer me to this signature & his peformance at home at lb vs Port on Nov 13 2025.
Signed
Kingdom.
Yeah, I tend to agree.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
Total nonsense if your in-fairing the fan base would be happy to play Russia?
Absolute rubbish
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2026...ion-to-resign/
That's not going to quieten things down any.
It should be played in Dublin is what I'm saying. I know the gardai have some concerns but we shouldn't be punished in any way for having drawn Israel. I'm basing this on an examiner article I read. I can't imagine there'll be a large base of traveling fans for the Israelis but if that's a concern maybe they could look at a smaller venue but all in all I don't think the FAI should do anything to accommodate them and it should be played in the Aviva.
I'm only in my 40s so not especially ancient but not young either. It's mind blowing to me that Sinn Fein have positioned themselves on the moral high ground in recent years and younger party members and supporters do not see the hypocrisy in that. Fooking mind blowing lads. I grew up in a time when it seemed like the top 3 news items every night on UTV were a bombing, a shooting and a punishment beating.
SF are all about partisan politics and I'll never heed a word they say, young or old dangerous snake.
Ill be going to the Ireland Israel match to cheer on the BIG. I will jeer and whistle the hell out of Israel at it, mostly as a football fan and also as someone who loathes the birthplace of the three Abrahamic religions and the damage they have done across history.
There would be a not insignificant number of people in Ireland who are 100% pro-Palestine but seem to struggle to find their voice to anything like the same extent when it comes to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. I'd like to think it's certainly not the widely held view of our fan base, but it will likely comprise an element of it. You definitely won't hear almost universal condemnation of Russia to anything like the same extent as you will of Israel.
Sometimes I wonder, if Palestine people were allowed to seek refuge here, rather than being trapped in Gaza, would there be anything like the same level of universal sympathy for them in Ireland as there currently is...
I think the issue may be the fact that Ukraine is getting fairly universal support in lots of ways that weren't afforded to Palestine. So its the "default" and therefore not something to have to keep publicly fighting for.Not saying that there isn't other elements at play, but I think that factor is a big part of what we are hearing publicly
There are most definitely other elements at play among some who are 100% pro Palestine . A lot of those Anti - Imperialists are only anti - imperialism when it comes to the West , so whenever they even grudgingly criticise Putin and Russia it’s always followed by a spot of NATO bashing , see e.g the COO of Bohs
Ah, you can't be angry at this because you're not angry at that. My favourite argument
But where do you draw the line, because you keep lumping things together in the ultimate "whataboutism" frankensteins monster of ideas. You are criticising people for being pro Palestine, but not vocal enough on Ukraine. You are using Dan Lambert of an example of someone that in your opinion hasn't been harsh enough on Putin, but criticising him for being critical of Nato (an organisation we aren't a member of).So what is your point, do we need to check that everyone is being equally caring about every issue out there, and making sure all their ideas align with what we should expect. Or do we accept people are complex and certain things resonate with others for reasons, and other things don't for other reasons.If we want to go down the road of "this person was very vocal on Palestine, not very vocal on Ukraine, seems slightly reluctant to criticise Putin, I heard him once criticise Nato, never heard him talk about Venezuela, wasn't happy about his opinion on ICE raids, seems very concerned about refugees but isn't voicing concerns for the homeless irish", we will never get anywhere.What we can do, instead of projecting intent onto other people's arguments, or "inventing imaginary profiles" of people that have these contradicting or uneven view points. We can maybe just deal with the arguments that are being presented, and ask for clarification when something is unclear.Imagining what people feel on other arguments and projecting it on to this one solves nothing, and ultimately weakens any points you make, as really you aren't arguing against their points they made, you are creating a "strawman" and arguing against that
Paliatine is a ledtist trendy cause Putin isnt, its that simple IMO. Putin has killed more probably by a factor of 10 but dan lambert , shin fein etc will shy away.Both are equaly appaling imo Putin moreao on the basis of the genocide of the ukrainian people but that xomparison doeant appear to get made.
Another absurd and highly cynical take from you. We have deep rooted cultural and historical ties with Palestinians that go back decades, it could hardly be considered a trendy fad.
I didnt say it was a fad it has been going on for a long time , the IRA and the PLO were best mates for years.I simply think the genocide of the ukrainians doeant seem to get the same attention deapite being far worse. Is it absurd to wonder why or ia it juat impolite of me to ask?It goes to the heart of why i dont think sport and politics shouldnt be mixed.
We've taken in 100,000 Ukrainian women and children into our country and in a lot of case our homes. That's shows we as a rule are revolted by Russia. No way we play them imo
gaza and ukraine are the same thing ? Jesus h the things you read! ! Ukraine has received countless billions in aid and weapons what has palestine received ?
They've received nothing but genocide
My post was to state solely that we wouldn't be happy to play Russia either.
Sadly another person who doesn't understand the actual meaning of "Whataboutery".
Whataboutery is where someone uses one incident to defend his/her own conduct in another eg "You can't blame me for stealing £5, because that fella over there stole £10". Which would be like eg Netanyahu defending his assault on Gaza because of the Hamas assault on October 7th, 2023 or v.v.
Rather the issue here is one of double standards. That is, someone rushing to condemn Israel over the crimes committed in Palestine, while not a word from them on the crimes committed by Hamas on October 7th. Note that I am not making an equivalence between the two, or in any way defending Israel's war crimes in Palestine, but for some people dead Palestinian babies = "Terrible", dead Israeli babies = "So what?"
Which is where many of the people campaigning for Palestine come in, they see only Israeli crimes, but don't care about Hamas etc. Worse still, as Bottle of Tonic correctly pointed out, when those critics come from Sinn Fein. Not only do they display double standards eg between Palestine and Ukraine, but you can add rank hypocrisy to the charge sheet, what with their being inextricably linked to, and supportive of, a terrorist organisation which murdered 1,700 people in their own back yard within living memory.
Back to you, Ms. Byrne...
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