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    Lynch got alot of attention at 17 years of age scoring goals for Bray during the COVID season and mostly fell to the bench at Bray but still scored another 6 goals last season, worth a shot for Longford
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jd2793 View Post
    i highly doubt he thought he was going to celtic to challenge for a first team spot that soon! hes not even there 12 months
    Then why go there? Why not go to a lesser club where he have shone in the first 12 months and competed for first team football. He could have shone at Queen Park but I'd say his head was down from being loaned out. Look at Ross Tierney at Motherwell in and out of the first team but competing for a place and all in less than 12 months.

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    In fairness, I think it's highly unlikely his "head was down" because he didn't walk straight into the Celtic first team

    Competing for a place in the Motherwell team doesn't compare; there's a huge gap between them and Celtic

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    Lynch is a great player. Devo wouldn't let him start games for some reason last season (Team selection in general was bizarre). Whenever he came on last season he usually scored or looked like he could score. Promising signing by longford. Could be a great striker.

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    Kenny this time last year was the best young striker in the league along with Whelan so I certainly wouldn’t be writing him off based on what happened since. League is full of players who shine here who had issues across the water. If he gets his form of last year he’ll certainly get lots of games with Shams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    In fairness, I think it's highly unlikely his "head was down" because he didn't walk straight into the Celtic first team

    Competing for a place in the Motherwell team doesn't compare; there's a huge gap between them and Celtic
    There is a huge gap between Celtic and Motherwell therfore a huge gap in the quality of player required and he was in no way going to start for Celtic. I'm not saying he's a bad player. I'm saying he could have stayed at Sligo and ended up at Rovers anyway Or attracted attention from another suitor in Scotland or England and competed for first team football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah View Post
    Kenny this time last year was the best young striker in the league along with Whelan so I certainly wouldn’t be writing him off based on what happened since. League is full of players who shine here who had issues across the water. If he gets his form of last year he’ll certainly get lots of games with Shams.
    The player that he was and the player he is now are two different things, subbed after no more than an hour on his only two starts and few appearances off the bench where he scored no goal, had no assist was not involved in the build up to any goal and I think got one shot off in total at QP.

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    Ah he'll hardly have changed that much in the past year or so.

    That said, I don't think he's a signing that'll help take Rovers to the next level in Europe. Nor is Burt or Power or their other recent signings. Probably the LoI isn't the most attractive of leagues for foreign players (low wages, high cost of living, low success rate of making it in a bigger league), but for right or for wrong, that's how other leagues are pushing on. Look at Fofana, who played for Molde against Rovers and is now going to Chelsea for £8m, for example. He's far from an isolated case too. Signing back LoI players who've failed to make it abroad (Power, Cleary, etc) is a sure-fire way to undermine the transfer value of players here.

    Obviously from the point of view of the title, I think Kenny is a solid signing. But if I were a Rovers fan, I'd be a bit underwhelmed at their ambition based on pre-season so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martinho II View Post
    Stephen Henderson has made two more signings for us. Stephen Meaney from Athlone Town and Darragh Lynch from Bray Wanderers. According to our website its our 15th signing so far!
    I think Meaney played with Athlone in the 2021 season. His las club was apparently some club in Victoria, Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    Ah he'll hardly have changed that much in the past year or so.

    That said, I don't think he's a signing that'll help take Rovers to the next level in Europe. Nor is Burt or Power or their other recent signings. Probably the LoI isn't the most attractive of leagues for foreign players (low wages, high cost of living, low success rate of making it in a bigger league), but for right or for wrong, that's how other leagues are pushing on. Look at Fofana, who played for Molde against Rovers and is now going to Chelsea for £8m, for example. He's far from an isolated case too. Signing back LoI players who've failed to make it abroad (Power, Cleary, etc) is a sure-fire way to undermine the transfer value of players here.

    Obviously from the point of view of the title, I think Kenny is a solid signing. But if I were a Rovers fan, I'd be a bit underwhelmed at their ambition based on pre-season so far.
    Cleary isn't a great example there Stu. Did just fine in Scotland and came home for personal reasons. Power is fair enough, jury is still out on him. Burt makes sense as we badly needed pace from midfield. Kenny I'm not sure about but we needed to replace Aidomo.

    Apparently we are looking in Scandinavia but I haven't heard anything concrete. Why we don't spread a wider net is probably just down to resources? Fofana went to Molde from an Ivorian club. I suppose players would be visible through online scouting systems but Irish clubs don't seem to be in markets like that. Trickier work permits maybe? Or as you say it's just that we can't pay footballers enough to make the cost of living here feasible.

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    Well ok on Cleary, but there's plenty of other examples, and not just at Rovers. McEleney, Boyle, Hoban and McMillan at Dundalk for example.

    I actually prefer a local league to be local - I'd bring back in the three foreigners rule if it were up to me; it'd even European competition in particular out and make things far more interesting in general. But money talks, and money wants open capitalism in football, and sod issues like undermining developing leagues in Africa and stuff like that.

    I just don't see Rovers kicking on while signing up the best players from a poor league and none from outside it (bar Serdeniuk of course, who maybe approached Rovers rather than the other way around given his situation, but he hardly worked out). And as I say, Dundalk did the exact same, and Derry are doing the same with their billions so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    Well ok on Cleary, but there's plenty of other examples, and not just at Rovers. McEleney, Boyle, Hoban and McMillan at Dundalk for example.

    I actually prefer a local league to be local - I'd bring back in the three foreigners rule if it were up to me; it'd even European competition in particular out and make things far more interesting in general. But money talks, and money wants open capitalism in football, and sod issues like undermining developing leagues in Africa and stuff like that.

    I just don't see Rovers kicking on while signing up the best players from a poor league and none from outside it (bar Serdeniuk of course, who maybe approached Rovers rather than the other way around given his situation, but he hardly worked out). And as I say, Dundalk did the exact same, and Derry are doing the same with their billions so far.
    Yeah there's not a lot in the league that will help us kick on in Europe and it does get a bit depressing seeing lads go away and have to return...but then again, I've enjoyed watching Jack Byrne and I'm sure Derry and Dundalk would say the same about their returners. If I could poach one player in the league to help in Europe it would be Duffy but he's hardly moving. I was never a big fan of loan moves but maybe that's the route we need to take for a while.

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    There's not too many players within the League of Ireland who'll significantly push Shamrock Rovers onto a higher level.

    If they're serious about further progression in Europe, they need to be looking at bigger moves from outside the country. With that though, would bring higher wages and much higher associated costs, so it's a gamble either way.

    Key for them is to retain their status at the top of the division first, with any progression through a few rounds in Europe a bonus. But they'll stagnate eventually, or another club will catch up on them.

    It's a real catch 22. They probably have enough financial firepower behind them to take a gamble, but without sufficient prize money in Ireland, bigger sponsorship deals, TV money, and further investment in the league as a whole, I'm not sure it's a gamble worth taking in the interests of the long term future of any club, never mind Rovers themselves.

    With all that in mind, taking a chance on a promising young player in Johnny Kenny, on a loan deal, is probably a smart move. As suggested, he's probably a direct replacement for Emakhu, so isn't exactly first choice anyway. But, he's proven enough in a short spell in the league before that he has a bit of quality about him. Took the move to Celtic a year or two too early, and was clearly poorly advised in that regard. So, a chance to give himself a boost again is a bit of a no brainer for both player and club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ontheotherhand View Post
    Yeah there's not a lot in the league that will help us kick on in Europe and it does get a bit depressing seeing lads go away and have to return...but then again, I've enjoyed watching Jack Byrne and I'm sure Derry and Dundalk would say the same about their returners. If I could poach one player in the league to help in Europe it would be Duffy but he's hardly moving. I was never a big fan of loan moves but maybe that's the route we need to take for a while.

    Have UCD strengthened?
    I think you use the word "enjoyed" there and certainly I'd much rather watch a mostly local team than a bunch of 11 random foreigners who are all either going to be sold or dumped at the end of each season a la Sheriff Tiraspol. That may be minnowist, but it doesn't mean it's wrong, and probably there's a balance somewhere between too.

    But I think it's a caveat on the Kenny signing. Disappointing he's back so soon (did I see Rovers have an option to buy at the end of the season?). I think the next step for the LoI is for players to start justifying themselves more abroad. It'll be interesting to see how the recent spate of transfers to the English third tier get on in that regard.

    Have UCD strengthened? Hardly, with Lonergan, Whelan, Caffrey and Brennan all gone. As ever, who's coming in is a trade secret. Anyone good in the Rovers B team?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    I think you use the word "enjoyed" there and certainly I'd much rather watch a mostly local team than a bunch of 11 random foreigners who are all either going to be sold or dumped at the end of each season a la Sheriff Tiraspol. That may be minnowist, but it doesn't mean it's wrong, and probably there's a balance somewhere between too.
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    Can confirm watching a team of random foreigners is sh**e , 0/10 would not recommend!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    I think you use the word "enjoyed" there and certainly I'd much rather watch a mostly local team than a bunch of 11 random foreigners who are all either going to be sold or dumped at the end of each season a la Sheriff Tiraspol. That may be minnowist, but it doesn't mean it's wrong, and probably there's a balance somewhere between too.

    But I think it's a caveat on the Kenny signing. Disappointing he's back so soon (did I see Rovers have an option to buy at the end of the season?). I think the next step for the LoI is for players to start justifying themselves more abroad. It'll be interesting to see how the recent spate of transfers to the English third tier get on in that regard.

    Have UCD strengthened? Hardly, with Lonergan, Whelan, Caffrey and Brennan all gone. As ever, who's coming in is a trade secret. Anyone good in the Rovers B team?
    I believe there's an option to buy yeah.

    Our u19s do have a few that I've seen a bit of. Cruise and Tetteh could probably use a loan move. Ferizaj will presumably be fully with the seniors now. I'm not that clued in on the youngins though to be honest. The one that looked the most promising is a sad story. Not sure if he ever made a recovery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Legend View Post
    I think Meaney played with Athlone in the 2021 season. His las club was apparently some club in Victoria, Australia.
    Yeah I stand corrected on that Town Legend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapple stu View Post
    That said, I don't think he's a signing that'll help take Rovers to the next level in Europe. Nor is Burt or Power or their other recent signings.
    On Burt, I can't see how he won't be a success. Pains me to say it but of all the players that have jumped ship Burt has been the most consistently impressive.
    Really hope I'm wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redarmyfaction View Post
    The player that he was and the player he is now are two different things, subbed after no more than an hour on his only two starts and few appearances off the bench where he scored no goal, had no assist was not involved in the build up to any goal and I think got one shot off in total at QP.
    Hes only 19. Keena hardly pulled up any sticks in his last few seasons in Scotland.

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