QuoteBetter result. The QF are shaping up nicely.
Some excellent penalties. Great viewing.
Better result. The QF are shaping up nicely.
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
I don't know a great deal about Costa, to be honest. All I know is that he would have been born a Brazilian national. He then acquired Spanish citizenship, so he now possesses dual nationality, unless he has relinquished his Brazilian citizenship or either of Spain or Brazil deny their citizens the right to hold simultaneously the nationality of another country. I don't see why Brazil would have revoked his citizenship under any other circumstances.Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Why would it be immoral though? Its existence and reasoning simply follows the lead of a universally popular general principle of civic nationality law; that broadly being the right to become a member of a new nation and enjoy the rights and responsibilities accorded to its citizens upon the fulfillment of a certain period of time spent within its territory and a contribution to its civic life. It would seem that most people think it a good thing. I think it's a positive thing myself. Acquiring a new nationality is essentially the new citizen's initiation into his new family.But still doesn't make it morally right, in any sport. Birthplace/heritage back to grand-parents works for me. Residency qualification is a very very bad idea though.
If in doubt ask all the South Sea Islanders who're rugby fans too. They've suffered by far the most.
If residency qualification in sport is primarily based upon nationality, I don't see the major issue. If a player can play for a country simply on residency grounds without possessing that country's nationality, I'd possibly take issue with that. I've not really had to worry about it though, as it's not the case in football. The residency requirement in football seems sufficient to me. Maybe it is the case in other sports like cricket and rugby though?
Right, I have to be up early in the morn, so I best be off to get some sleep. What a World Cup it's been so far. G'night!
Nonsense, he's by far the best. Mexican dude has great reflexes but Navas has the lot.
Breaking News: Ottawa police have been called in to restrain a hirsute young man from Dublin behaving in a loud and irrational manner outside a Greek restaurant shouting "you might have invented democracy and plain yoghurt but you're going home you boring cnuts". Neighbours have said he's usually very calm and polite and just seems to spend a lot of time on the internet, and has a particular interest in talking about shells.
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I got a polite talking to and a lift home. The RCMP aren't a bad sort.
Thank God the city police didn't get wind. They're currently engaged outside of a gyro joint in the Byward Market.
Seems there's a row between the Greeks and the Turks over who gets naming rights.
We all know it was Zaytoons. Ssssssh.
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
There's no harm in the comparisons, sure, but they certainly don't shed any light on anything either.
Let's extend the argument a bit further:
What if some lad was running for his bus and another person on the street flicked out a leg to trip him up?
What if Wayne Rooney elbowed somebody in the head on the street like he elbowed McCarthy a couple of years ago?
What if Juan Manuel Marquez had punched somebody on the street like he punched (and knocked out cold) Manny Pacquiao a couple of years ago?
How would/should the law of the land be applied to them?
Sport has existed in something close to a vacuum since basically forever. Even the most innocuous of tackles on a football pitch is punishable by the law of the land. However, instances of the actual law of the land being applied to what happens on the field are few and far between, and even when they are (Cantona attack on a fan), they can be fairly lenient compared to what might have happened outside the sphere of sports.
Put it this way - if Rooney doesn't get in any legal trouble for stamping on a player's balls, or Roy Keane, for elbowing a player in the head, or Pepe, for repeatedly kicking a player in a prone position on the ground, I don't think that what Suarez did registers high on the scale of what needs to be punished by the law of the land.
So when I read commentators making the argument that he would be facing a real punishment if it had happened outside the sphere of sports (and that he should consider himself lucky really), all I think is that they are deliberately ignoring the fact that sports stars have been getting away with what is effectively criminal behaviour, and often much worse behaviour, for decades.
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Great. Great to be there for it and see how excited the whole country was. I can only imagine that it was even better in Korea.
I have two abiding memories of that tournament:
The first is after Ecuador beat Croatia,and as all the fans (from both sides) were leaving together, they were singing and dancing and there was a really good atmosphere. Somebody had a beachball or something similar, and it was being punched into the air, and when it came down again, whoever was under it would punch it back up, and again and again. The suddenly a Japanese security staff came over and took the ball away. I thought to myself, 'what a wanker.'
The second is going to work the day after we got knocked out by Spain. Even though I had, to my mind at least, made a conscious effort not to talk about football too much, I had students coming up to me all day long to shake my hand and commiserate with me. It was like I'd been one of the players, or lost a family member or something.
Well you did lose Ian Harte that day. Le sigh.
Your comments re ECU-CRO echo mine from Euro12.
On the way into the centre of Poznan to meet Stutts I happened across this group of Croatians. Massive massive men. Jumped on one of their shoulders and called them bastarbs and we proceeded to hug it out and have a laugh the whole way onto town.
Nothing like a football tournament to bring out the joy even in loss. Unless you're English in the good old days.
Though it should be said, Croatians are mighty craic altogether.
DID YOU NOTICE A SIGN OUTSIDE MY HOUSE...?
That in essence is what it's about. Or allowing the likes of Zola Budd on a far greater scale.
The NZ rugby teams have been raping their 'relative' neighbours of players, they don't essentially even need, for years now...
A great experience. Never been anywhere so organised and efficient with such friendly people where everything worked.
Even Singapore was a kip by comparison afterwards.
How would we know if it was a foul?
Just touching a player in the box doesn't mean it's a penalty or leaving a foot out. There is no entitlement either for a player to turn a bit of contact into a foul, no matter how many times Shearer says it does.
That late contact on Robben had to be careless and with sufficient force to trip him.
It was a bit careless but was it enough to trip him? It looked very tame to me.
When there was so much obvious simulation involved, the ref should have ignored the penalty claim, as he couldn't possibly be expected to decide if it was a careless trip.
Thing is think he was making up for previous more legitimate incidents he missed.
And yes, it is Robben. Who usually lives up to part of his name by 'diving'. But this time the law of averages worked in his favour.
I wonder why so few goals are being scored from direct free kicks. Messi and...
Mexican manager giving out about the referee. He should get a job in the Premiership. Perhaps if his team had tried to get a second instead of sitting back and defending their lead it might have ended better for him and his side. Better team won.
Thought the Greeks were better than Costa Rica even before the sending off. Justice was done though because they might have had a peno for handball when 1-0. Interesting that no one really noticed it until the replay although there was a half hearted appeal by Campbell I think. Set the timer on Horizon to tape extra time and the bugg+r ran out before the penalty shoot-out. Second time that has happened to me. Luckily the highlights were on the BEEP this am.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
Strangely, Robben admitted to diving in an earlier incident. It was clear he dived to win the penalty too, although no admission was forthcoming in relation to that.
Did you skim through the article?
All that is true and I'm aware of what you might call the special status afforded to sport under the law due to its physical nature and the assumed consent of competitors by their participation. The expectation would be that conduct on the sports field might receive a harsher punishment if it were executed off the sports field. That's exactly why I quoted the article though. I've been arguing that Suarez's punishment is rather draconian, all things considered. Unusually, the Guardian piece was suggesting (assuming I interpreted it correctly) that Suarez might have received an arguably more lenient punishment had he bitten Chiellini on the street, even if he had actually caused lasting damage, which he hadn't. Biting someone on the street wouldn't have (potentially) prevented him from making a living for anything near a period of four months.
Dzemaili for Switzerland with a low one drilled in from distance against France.
I think that's been it; just the two so far.
Out of interest, anyone know if Robben can be retrospectively punished for diving, seeing as he has admitted to it? He's a complete blaggard.
He didn't say he dived to con the ref, he said he dived because he expected contact and the player pulled his leg away. The penalty was clearly a penalty and in no way a dive. I don't think anyone would dispute that apart from the Mexican coach, who has become the latest coach to blame a very good refereeing performance for his own team's failure.
Guilty as charged. I assumed it was another piece of faux outrage.Strangely, Robben admitted to diving in an earlier incident. It was clear he dived to win the penalty too, although no admission was forthcoming in relation to that.
Did you skim through the article?
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I was wondering that too. Especially in the light of Claudio Sulser's words when banning Suarez: 'Such behaviour cannot be tolerated on any football pitch, and in particular not at a Fifa World Cup when the eyes of millions of people are on the stars on the field.'
One of my favourite football tournament memories is meeting a bunch of very large Croats in Poznan who had run out of money. I offered them 200euros to go over to the bloke in the orange Termonbarry Alberts t- shirt and to keep him occupied while I had a chance to enjoy my beers and mourn our defeat uninterrupted by incessant yapping about everything and anything that came into his head. I said they'd only get paid on condition they were friendly, let him climb on their shoulders even, and didn't thump him because that'd have made me feel bad.
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