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    Sad that not one single main sponsor could be found in the town. I suppose if involved 15 men that kicks points it would be an altogether different scenario. Regards of finger-pointing its awful to see a club with a 33 year history (27 in the LOI) going to the wall. One of many. Kilkenny City went bust for a mere 50K a few years back , a manky 50k, now we have the Mons snuffed out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy View Post
    Whats the point in licencing at all if you can just go in and give figures that are so far wrong you fold mid season...

    Surely has to be some sort of checks that the figures are reasonable.
    To be fair, any budget forecast is just that, a made up plan. Considering Bohs had no main sponsor first game of the season, was their submitted budget based on no main sponsor being found? I don't know the full ins and out of this whole shambles but I'm sure there is plenty of clubs that would be in trouble if they got one or two unexpected bills or didn't get a few cheques they were expecting.
    For once maybe someone will call me "sir" without adding "you're making a scene."

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    And we did try to sort it out before it got this far.

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    Don't want to steal Mons thunder here, but just wanted to ask does anyone know if all the craic with Mick Wallace is going to do damage to Wexford? With the SD Galway experiment failing badly, and after the death of Mons, combining both leagues is probably a necessity now.

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    GUST or Cobh to replace them next season so? All this talk of one division. I don't see it happening. One team will come back and replace them and it will be the same farce as this season.

    A 20 team one division league would be excellent for the league. More interest, and on a broader scale, less derbies, more meaning to them when they do come around. But sadly I don't see it happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954 View Post
    GUST or Cobh to replace them next season so? All this talk of one division. I don't see it happening. One team will come back and replace them and it will be the same farce as this season.

    A 20 team one division league would be excellent for the league. More interest, and on a broader scale, less derbies, more meaning to them when they do come around. But sadly I don't see it happening.
    A 20 team league would be a disaster. Teams like Mons can't even survive when they have 10 guaranteed gates from the bigger sides in the league. They'd be in an even worse state if they had half as many games while facing stiffer competition for players.

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    Really going to miss Monaghan, raging I was only in Gortakeegan twice

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    If Licencing are accepting budgets based on a sponsor being found, when none are in place, it is 100% a farce and the FAI's fault. Not meeting attendance expectations is one thing (if they are realistic based on previous seasons), having a big hole due to no headline sponsor is quite another, imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin View Post
    A 20 team league would be a disaster. Teams like Mons can't even survive when they have 10 guaranteed gates from the bigger sides in the league. They'd be in an even worse state if they had half as many games while facing stiffer competition for players.
    A 20 league team would lead to 15 teams with nothing to play for. Do people seriously think 12th v 16th is more likely to attract fans that a relegation or promotion battle?

    Going by what we know about this league, 8 teams would see they've nothing to play for so cut costs and shed players in July too.

    of course if only 16 teams want to be in the league, then there might be no option...
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    Really sad for the Monaghan fans. There were not alot of them but they stuck with that club through thick and thin. I'm glad they got to experience a promotion just before it all went bust anyway, that must have been a great experience. Unfortunately, like my old team in Kildare, the locals just didn't get behind them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodge View Post
    A 20 league team would lead to 15 teams with nothing to play for. Do people seriously think 12th v 16th is more likely to attract fans that a relegation or promotion battle?

    Going by what we know about this league, 8 teams would see they've nothing to play for so cut costs and shed players in July too.

    of course if only 16 teams want to be in the league, then there might be no option...
    a 20 team league with no relegation mind. about 4 or 5 clubs would compete for the league and Europe and as the season goes by clubs would cut back and save for the following season

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    With the crowds currently in the first division could a nothing match between 6th and 16th be any worse than a first division game? Probably not.

    From my experience this season purely just from how the grounds looked crowds wise:

    Mervue vs limerick approx 150
    SD vs limerick appox 80
    Athlone vs limerick approx 350
    Wexford vs limerick approx 350
    Waterford vs limerick approx 600

    We have only had a handful of games away from home with over 300 and I think Longford away was the only one with anywhere near 700. Our home games have had decent attendances considering, but could easily drop to the 350 mark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by horton View Post
    To be fair, any budget forecast is just that, a made up plan. Considering Bohs had no main sponsor first game of the season, was their submitted budget based on no main sponsor being found? I don't know the full ins and out of this whole shambles but I'm sure there is plenty of clubs that would be in trouble if they got one or two unexpected bills or didn't get a few cheques they were expecting.
    When Cork City won the league in 05 we broke even, In 2006 we made a €400 k loss due to NISSAN not honoring a oral agreement. It should have been a written agreement but it wasn't, one fella lost his job over it, but Brian Lennox covered it. We would have broke even again in 2006 if it wasn't for this to a small club with no backer it would be different but Cork City were lucky to have a owner who loved the club and wasn't doing it for the money which Arkada and Tom Caughlan were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by citybone View Post
    When Cork City won the league in 05 we broke even, In 2006 we made a €400 k loss due to NISSAN not honoring a oral agreement. It should have been a written agreement but it wasn't, one fella lost his job over it, but Brian Lennox covered it. We would have broke even again in 2006 if it wasn't for this to a small club with no backer it would be different but Cork City were lucky to have a owner who loved the club and wasn't doing it for the money which Arkada and Tom Caughlan were.
    Even still, this was extremely amateur on our part, just as Monaghan have been very amateur in setting out a budget based on a figures that were probably based on a house of cards.

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    Feel sorry for Monaghan, a nice little club they had there. Their support may have been small, but incredibly loyal and proud. Thought they'd go from strength to strength following promotion.

    Of the teams elected in 1985, only Derry and Bray remain. Disappointing to see clubs falling off the radar like this. Unless the FAI pull up their socks and start taking an active interest in this league, more and more clubs will fall by the wayside.

    As a fan of a club who has gone to the wall, I can only empathise with the Mons fans.

    Also, for all those who knocked GUFC last season, fair enough we were rubbish but we did see out the season. Dropping out mid-season really makes a mess of things

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    Is this decision an absolute final resort or can Monaghan continue if the FAI can come up with some sort of solution?

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    Uh Oh, rumours of difficulties at Bray. Anyone know the story ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gufc2000 View Post

    Of the teams elected in 1985, only Derry and Bray remain. Disappointing to see clubs falling off the radar like this. Unless the FAI pull up their socks and start taking an active interest in this league, more and more clubs will fall by the wayside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marinobohs View Post
    Uh Oh, rumours of difficulties at Bray. Anyone know the story ?
    I'd be surprised to hear that finances were fine at any club.

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