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    Potential loss.

    edit: in fact, he's not expected to miss the tournament at all

    O'Shea has had scan, news good and FAI expects that after week off he will be ready to train next Monday as planned.
    Last edited by Charlie Darwin; 14/05/2012 at 12:21 AM.

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    Puyol confirmed out for Euro 2012: http://fourfourtwo.com/news/euro2012...4/default.aspx
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
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    Probably the only real defender Spain have had in the past few years. Definitely a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonnieShels View Post
    Still can't decide if this is a blessing or not.
    You can't decide if a winner of a world cup, European championship, 3 champions leagues, 5 la ligas and current captain of the best club team in the world is a loss?

    To put this idiocy in context if Richard Dunne was ruled out for us you'd get the same goons in another country guffawing that its actually a good thing for Ireland because of those few penalties and own goals they'd seen him giving away in the premiership. A "liability" and "headless" they'd shriek smug in their ignorance. They're quite comparable in importance and foreign fan disrespect for their respective countries in fact.
    If you can't understand how Puyol would be anything but a massive loss for Spain then I'd request sparing our palms from excessive face time and not commenting on the sport again.

    This is a massive and possibly tournament costing loss for them, he's been the glue that held together a very rickety Spanish defence in the past. Theres real implosion potential for them without him because individually few of their back 4 are solid or reliable defenders. If you've ever watched him in person the amount of yelling and instructions he gives out on the pitch is incredible, he never shuts up. I wonder without constant instruction how the likes of Ramos, Iraola Arbeloa and Albiol will get on because they do not look like the same players on teams without Puyol as they have done for Spain.
    If they're smart they'll bring an experienced replacement Marchena, either way this is excellent news for us. If Villa was out as well even better, without their lynchpins in attack and defence it'd make them very vulnerable. Spain have an endless reel of quality midfielders and wide players, they're very lean for defence and orthodox forwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton View Post
    He'd be a big loss.
    Chiellini would be a titanic loss, arguably the best defender on the planet at the moment. Signs seem to be favourable for him though. Must admit Juventus having a perfect season is somewhat scary, their players won't be able to fathom how to lose and we realistically will need to beat them!

    Their entire spine is made up of those guys (Buffon + Chiellini + Barzaghli in defence. Pirlo + Marchisio midfield), so the more of those guys who pick up the knocks the better.
    Last edited by Murfinator; 14/05/2012 at 3:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murfinator View Post
    You can't decide if a winner of a world cup, European championship, 3 champions leagues, 5 la ligas and current captain of the best club team in the world is a loss?


    If you can't understand how Puyol would be anything but a massive loss for Spain then I'd request sparing our palms from excessive face time and not commenting on the sport again.

    This is a massive and possibly tournament costing loss for them, he's been the glue that held together a very rickety Spanish defence in the past.
    If you've ever watched him in person the amount of yelling and instructions he gives out on the pitch is incredible, he never shuts up. .
    Its a fair point made all the same. Your are right that he is a good captain but he has lost it has a top defender, and hasnt looked right for a long time at the back, but then since when has Spain needed to defend!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Murfinator View Post
    You can't decide if a winner of a world cup, European championship, 3 champions leagues, 5 la ligas and current captain of the best club team in the world is a loss?

    To put this idiocy in context if Richard Dunne was ruled out for us you'd get the same goons in another country guffawing that its actually a good thing for Ireland because of those few penalties and own goals they'd seen him giving away in the premiership. A "liability" and "headless" they'd shriek smug in their ignorance. They're quite comparable in importance and foreign fan disrespect for their respective countries in fact.
    If you can't understand how Puyol would be anything but a massive loss for Spain then I'd request sparing our palms from excessive face time and not commenting on the sport again.

    This is a massive and possibly tournament costing loss for them, he's been the glue that held together a very rickety Spanish defence in the past. Theres real implosion potential for them without him because individually few of their back 4 are solid or reliable defenders. If you've ever watched him in person the amount of yelling and instructions he gives out on the pitch is incredible, he never shuts up. I wonder without constant instruction how the likes of Ramos, Iraola Arbeloa and Albiol will get on because they do not look like the same players on teams without Puyol as they have done for Spain.
    If they're smart they'll bring an experienced replacement Marchena, either way this is excellent news for us. If Villa was out as well even better, without their lynchpins in attack and defence it'd make them very vulnerable. Spain have an endless reel of quality midfielders and wide players, they're very lean for defence and orthodox forwards.
    My my. You really went for it there.

    Bennocelt summed it up well.
    My problem is not what Puyol has been it's what he is.
    He's had a long season.
    He has been visibly knackered at the end of the season. He would definitely be picked if fit.
    We will see who he's replaced by but imagine if it's someone out to make a claim to his spot.
    Whilst I agree with you on his organisational abilities, I have looked at him as a weak link that could be exploited by the likes of McGeady and McClean running inside.
    Again, it's a view I have now and have had watching him throughout the season.
    You may not agree but your ranting seems out of place so early in the week.
    Last edited by BonnieShels; 14/05/2012 at 7:06 PM. Reason: Stutts
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonnieShels View Post
    He has been visually knackered at the end of the season.
    He needs an optician so.

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    People have been saying for years that the defence is the weak link in the Barcelona and Spanish sides, most persistently and ridiculously the RTE panel. There are certainly areas of his defensive game where Puyol is prone to the odd lapse, but his sides' defensive records speak for themselves and the fact is that what little defending they have to do, they rarely make any errors. Puyol is going to be a huge loss and the onus will be on Pique (if he's even fit) to provide leadership.

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    Here's something for the Euro buildup pot. The England vs. Ireland game from Euro '88 is being shown in on ESPN classic at 11.10 tonight.
    Last edited by Sullivinho; 14/05/2012 at 10:12 PM.

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    The Puyol thing is a bit similar to the situation with England with Ferdinand and Terry - Thing is look how Mattheus and Maldini did more harm than good when germany/italy brought them along for an extended tourno - even the greats can mess it all up

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    who replaces Puyol in the starting lineup?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Murfinator View Post
    You can't decide if a winner of a world cup, European championship, 3 champions leagues, 5 la ligas and current captain of the best club team in the world is a loss?

    To put this idiocy in context if Richard Dunne was ruled out for us you'd get the same goons in another country guffawing that its actually a good thing for Ireland because of those few penalties and own goals they'd seen him giving away in the premiership. A "liability" and "headless" they'd shriek smug in their ignorance. They're quite comparable in importance and foreign fan disrespect for their respective countries in fact.
    If you can't understand how Puyol would be anything but a massive loss for Spain then I'd request sparing our palms from excessive face time and not commenting on the sport again.

    This is a massive and possibly tournament costing loss for them, he's been the glue that held together a very rickety Spanish defence in the past. Theres real implosion potential for them without him because individually few of their back 4 are solid or reliable defenders. If you've ever watched him in person the amount of yelling and instructions he gives out on the pitch is incredible, he never shuts up. I wonder without constant instruction how the likes of Ramos, Iraola Arbeloa and Albiol will get on because they do not look like the same players on teams without Puyol as they have done for Spain.
    If they're smart they'll bring an experienced replacement Marchena, either way this is excellent news for us. If Villa was out as well even better, without their lynchpins in attack and defence it'd make them very vulnerable. Spain have an endless reel of quality midfielders and wide players, they're very lean for defence and orthodox forwards.
    A thinly veiled "I've been to a Barca match" post.

    He will be a loss to them no doubt. Both on and off the park.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    I suppose that can happen when a legend hits the wrong side of 40.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BonnieShels View Post
    He's had a long season. He has been visibly knackered at the end of the season.
    The main hope I see of getting a result from Spain is that the whole Barcelona team looks jaded. Messi and Alves seemed to have the most energy of any of them and they ain't Spanish. This was apparent even before Christmas. Remember, these guys have had over 4 years now of going all the way in Euro and World championships, all the way in the league and all the way, pretty much, in the Champs league as well as Super Cups and all that. They'll have had little rest other than any breathers they can get mid-season by laying up a little. Barcelona hardly rotate their starting XI so there's some hope that 4 weeks from now that the players may just have heavy legs.

    Of course, Barcelona aren't the only team that Spain picks its players from.

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