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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyInvincible View Post
    It was in Tallaght. Why would it have been in Tolka?
    Think about it.

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    Thought rovers were, surprisingly, very naive, wrt the conditions, at the start of the second half. Felt that if Derry could get a second then a proper hammering would be on.

    Took them 20 mins, and were already 2-0 down, before they copped on. Ironic then that the third came just as they looked like they might claw their way back into it.

    On the peno I think refjohn has called it right, unfortunately he's probably in the minority that would see it as only a yellow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redobit
    What because one team arent interested it's dead. Thats their loss. THink its a great wee competition meself.
    The competition died when they started changing the format years ago. After that, you couldn't keep up with all the changes year after year, and then interest is lost.

    It's a competition run mainly for the benefit of the NI teams, but they can't compete. While the LOI clubs often field reserve teams, and with the expense involved, the crowds don't want to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mypost View Post
    The competition died when they started changing the format years ago. After that, you couldn't keep up with all the changes year after year, and then interest is lost.

    It's a competition run mainly for the benefit of the NI teams, but they can't compete. While the LOI clubs often field reserve teams, and with the expense involved, the crowds don't want to know.
    How so? While I would be in favour of an all island league I think the Setanta Cup is a pain in the ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnaghRed View Post
    How so? While I would be in favour of an all island league I think the Setanta Cup is a pain in the ass.
    This hasnt been raised in a while!!! Yes i agree with a all island league too but another option is merge the LOI league cup and the IL league cup so that the final 8 is all island and up till that stage is regionalised. I don't think there is much interest in the league cup in either country anyway so by merging all these competitions it may help a little, i don't expect miracles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mypost View Post
    The competition died when they started changing the format years ago. After that, you couldn't keep up with all the changes year after year, and then interest is lost.
    While the constant changes haven't been helpful, I think this year's iteration is by far the best format. Like the competition and would love it to keep going in it's current less obtrusive, more meaningful guise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton View Post
    While the constant changes haven't been helpful, I think this year's iteration is by far the best format. Like the competition and would love it to keep going in it's current less obtrusive, more meaningful guise.
    Two legged format is a load of pox. They should switch to a single leg format, have the games on weekends, or just scrap the competition altogether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny View Post
    Two legged format is a load of pox. They should switch to a single leg format, have the games on weekends, or just scrap the competition altogether.
    Don't have a problem with two legs personally, but even if I did it's a mere drop in the gripe ocean compared to the round robin group format.

    A (mostly) open draw cup knockout, even over two legs, is far more preferable and enjoyable imo.
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    Honestly, to make this a little more successful, I think this competition needs to be opened up to Wales, Scotland and England. Home Nations Cup sort of idea.

    If the likes of Sky Sports picked up on it, with the League winners and 2 cup winners from each nation Scotland, Rep. Ireland, Wales and Northern Ireland with something like Championship winners and League cup and FA Cup winners from England, there would be huge interest in such a competition.

    It's not working as it is, and needs to be changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954 View Post
    Honestly, to make this a little more successful, I think this competition needs to be opened up to Wales, Scotland and England. Home Nations Cup sort of idea.
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    republic of Ireland!

    You seriously think that this would happen? Apart from the EPL teams (which only want lucrative Asian friendlies these days), Bangor and Kilmarnock and the rest are not really going to add thousands to the gate

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    Quote Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954 View Post
    Honestly, to make this a little more successful, I think this competition needs to be opened up to Wales, Scotland and England. Home Nations Cup sort of idea.

    If the likes of Sky Sports picked up on it, with the League winners and 2 cup winners from each nation Scotland, Rep. Ireland, Wales and Northern Ireland with something like Championship winners and League cup and FA Cup winners from England, there would be huge interest in such a competition.

    It's not working as it is, and needs to be changed.
    Great idea but it will never happen, clubs complain about travel costs as it is

    Scrap both league cups, have an all Ireland league cup, have early rounds in late Aug, Sept & Oct. have later rounds in March, April & have Final in May
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    No, I don't think it would happen, nor would it even be suggested at the right levels, all I'm saying is, if this competition is to go forward, then it's the only way it will go forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redobit View Post
    What because one team arent interested it's dead. Thats their loss. THink its a great wee competition meself.
    No, because overall the attendances for the competition are terrible. Besides the Linfield/Derry games, I can't think of another match that was up around a League attedance level.

    I'm a big fan of the competition, but it seems the general LOI attending fan is not... Monday night fixtures may be a contributing factor as well.

    Either way, unless attendances improve. I can't see a long-term future for the Competition.

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    Even Linfield - Derry had awfully disappointing attendances ger121. The only club coming out of this competition with reasonable attendances is Sligo.
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    Crowds have always been poor in this competition, have they not?
    Attendances couldn't be the main driving force behind why they bother with it year after year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954 View Post
    Even Linfield - Derry had awfully disappointing attendances ger121. The only club coming out of this competition with reasonable attendances is Sligo.
    Not sure what you meant there Nigel?

    Our away game at Windsor had just short of 2,000 and our home game was around the 4,000.

    I'm estimating our game V rvrs next week will have well above 2,000 maybe even reaching the 3,000 and if it's a Derry V Crues final I think that Windsor will be at almost capacity IE:14,000

    So as for Derry fans....no the comp aint dead.

    Strange though that it's only after last night that rvrs fans think it's dead.They didn't think that last season! lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954 View Post
    Honestly, to make this a little more successful, I think this competition needs to be opened up to Wales, Scotland and England. Home Nations Cup sort of idea.

    If the likes of Sky Sports picked up on it, with the League winners and 2 cup winners from each nation Scotland, Rep. Ireland, Wales and Northern Ireland with something like Championship winners and League cup and FA Cup winners from England, there would be huge interest in such a competition.

    It's not working as it is, and needs to be changed.
    Home nations??

    Stupid idea anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candystripe
    Strange though that it's only after last night that rvrs fans think it's dead.They didn't think that last season! lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by mypost
    The competition died when they started changing the format years ago. After that, you couldn't keep up with all the changes year after year, and then interest is lost.
    Quote Originally Posted by AnnaghRed
    How so? I think the Setanta Cup is a pain in the ass.
    The timing was changed to suit the NI season initially. Then the group phase was abandoned altogether so the NI teams might win a knockout tie. When that failed, they were guaranteed the final up there if one of them made it. None of the "travelling to Ireland" lark to put up with.

    Even after those concessions, they're still uncompetitive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mypost View Post
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    Even after those concessions, they're still uncompetitive.
    Crussaders are 2-0 up in the other semi-final...
    Here on a technicality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean South View Post
    Home nations??

    Stupid idea anyway
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