FAI Cup semi finals

**Dodge** · 17/10/2011, 11:31 PM

http://youtu.be/INsrtu3d1l8

Interview with Pete Mahon. Penalty (and red card) incident is there too

**CSFShels** · 17/10/2011, 11:37 PM

Definite peno, if Rogers doesn't throw himself in front of Dawson, Dawson gets to the ball without question because of the lack of pace the ball is moving at. If he gets to the ball, he scores. So on that basis Rogers has denied a clear goalscoring opportunity and its a red. I've seen referees not give the red when they've also given the penalty so there can be a lack of consistency, but the red should definitely be given too. I mean what happens if the penalty is missed? The offending team has completely gotten away with fouling to stop a clear goalscoring opportunity.

**Acornvilla** · 17/10/2011, 11:49 PM

In fairness the shells lads (fans) deserve a day in the sun after all they ****e they had to deal with, could conceivably be in europe and in the 1st div next season thou :P

for our co eff sake I hope shells promote but loose the final and it (europa place) goes to a premier div club thou!
Saying that a cup win, european footie and promotion would probably mean they would be a pretty decent outfit next season

**CSFShels** · 17/10/2011, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by Acornvilla

In fairness the shells lads (fans) deserve a day in the sun after all they ****e they had to deal with, could conceivably be in europe and in the 1st div next season thou :P

for our co eff sake I hope shells promote but loose the final and it (europa place) goes to a premier div club thou!
Saying that a cup win, european footie and promotion would probably mean they would be a pretty decent outfit next season

As far as I'm concerned, over the course of these 2 games I reckon we've shown we're as good as if not better than Pats at least. We certainly won't be sending Shamrock Rovers into panic next season if we go up but with a few quality additions we could definitely comfortably grace the top half of the table.

**bluewhitearmy** · 18/10/2011, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by CSFShels

Definite peno, if Rogers doesn't throw himself in front of Dawson, Dawson gets to the ball without question because of the lack of pace the ball is moving at. If he gets to the ball, he scores. So on that basis Rogers has denied a clear goalscoring opportunity and its a red. I've seen referees not give the red when they've also given the penalty so there can be a lack of consistency, but the red should definitely be given too. I mean what happens if the penalty is missed? The offending team has completely gotten away with fouling to stop a clear goalscoring opportunity.

Yep no way Dawson would ever miss a sitter in an important game.

**CSFShels** · 18/10/2011, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy

Yep no way Dawson would ever miss a sitter in an important game.

You should give the referee a ring and tell him that Dawson actually isn't great in clear goalscoring opportunities and to rescind the red card.

**osarusan** · 18/10/2011, 1:37 AM

Originally Posted by CSFShels

I mean what happens if the penalty is missed? The offending team has completely gotten away with fouling to stop a clear goalscoring opportunity.

That would be the penalty taker's fault.

**Hibs4Ever** · 18/10/2011, 7:26 AM

Never a sending off for Rogers, absolute disgrace of a decision

**superjohnny** · 18/10/2011, 8:13 AM

HIBS/SLAVIA/PATS4EVER, You said pats would def win............... :-) always next year

**Hibs4Ever** · 18/10/2011, 8:17 AM

Originally Posted by superjohnny

HIBS/SLAVIA/PATS4EVER, You said pats would def win............... :-) always next year

And they would have if the ref had a brain

**OneForTheFuture** · 18/10/2011, 8:19 AM

Can't blame the ref for last nights performance or Fridays for that matter!

**bennocelt** · 18/10/2011, 8:21 AM

Originally Posted by Hibs4Ever

And they would have if the ref had a brain

or Pete Mahon wasn't so defensive

**Hibs4Ever** · 18/10/2011, 8:22 AM

Originally Posted by OneForTheFuture

Can't blame the ref for last nights performance or Fridays for that matter!

Can and will

Originally Posted by bennocelt

or Pete Mahon wasn't so defensive

Agree completely, regarding the first game on Friday

**Jofspring** · 18/10/2011, 9:21 AM

Originally Posted by Acornvilla

In fairness the shells lads (fans) deserve a day in the sun after all they ****e they had to deal with, could conceivably be in europe and in the 1st div next season thou :P

for our co eff sake I hope shells promote but loose the final and it (europa place) goes to a premier div club thou!
Saying that a cup win, european footie and promotion would probably mean they would be a pretty decent outfit next season

If they deserve a day in the sun for their troubles then we've built up enough troubles to mean we should dominate Irish football for at least the next 10 years.

**GalwayRed** · 18/10/2011, 9:25 AM

My reaction at the time was it was a deserved penalty and red card and I don't see anything from those clips to change my mind. I know its easy to say now but I wasn't worried about us after conceding the goal. We kept our heads up and we were well in the game before the penalty incident. Like I said Pats had their chance on Friday. They didn't do enough in either game and thats why they're out.

**pineapple stu** · 18/10/2011, 9:39 AM

Originally Posted by CSFShels

Definite peno, if Rogers doesn't throw himself in front of Dawson

I think "throw[ing] himself in front of" the player is a bit over the top. There's more of an element of the Shels player running into the keeper, with both players being generally clumsy. Maybe a peno; you could argue the defender was going to clear anyway, so the red card was harsh.

**marinobohs** · 18/10/2011, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

I think "throw[ing] himself in front of" the player is a bit over the top. There's more of an element of the Shels player running into the keeper, with both players being generally clumsy. Maybe a peno; you could argue the defender was going to clear anyway, so the red card was harsh.

I believe refs should be less inclined to send players off than they appear to be. Every foul seems to merit at least a yellow card with some refs.
I could be wrong but people do not pay into a match to watch a ref (I wish a few of our refs would realise that).
Red card should be for dangerous/serious offences only. Lets try and keep it 11 V 11. Would the match last night have been worse off if ref had not flashed red (similar question RE Friday night) ?

**WoodquayBoy** · 18/10/2011, 10:15 AM

Thanks for the Youtube link Dodge. I know this makes absolutely no sense, but here goes anyway - if I was a Shels fan, I'd be screaming for a red card and a penalty. If I was a Pats fan, I'd be furious to have a penalty given against us, never mind having the 'keeper sent off.

**ger121** · 18/10/2011, 10:20 AM

Thought it was a soft penalty myself but the red was very harsh. Wasn't at the game but I'm sure that gave Shels an advantage for the remainder of the game.

**Dodge** · 18/10/2011, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy

Thanks for the Youtube link Dodge. I know this makes absolutely no sense, but here goes anyway - if I was a Shels fan, I'd be screaming for a red card and a penalty. If I was a Pats fan, I'd be furious to have a penalty given against us, never mind having the 'keeper sent off.

You can see from the reactions here that (most) Shels fans think it was a pen. (Most) Pats fans disagree. Others are mixed too.

A shels fan on their forum even said it should've even been a free out as Dawson ran into Rogers

Absolutely no doubt it changed the game, but thats football for you.