Bray lodging complaint against Fingal?

**Roo69** · 01/12/2009, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Ronnie

IF - Quigley was out of contract with Derry City on the day the season ended then Bray, Shels and Sligo have a point. Under the loans Derry would pay Quigley and Fingal would pay Derry. What Fingal pay Derry may be less than what Derry pay Quigley , (completely separate from the two contracts crack). But if this is the case, Quigley finished with Derry on last day of league season so technically he was not registered with any club on the day after.

The loan agreement would either say the end of the 09 season, which would suit Fingal, or a specific date, and if its a specific date, then Fingal could have a problem if that date was the day the regular season ended.

100% correct. But its a big IF.

IF Quigley was not eligable to play then Sporting have won promotion to the Preier Division and won the FAI Cup by breaking the rules. In doing so and by breaking the rules they have qualified for Europe and the Setanta Cup next season.

I actually think its only right for clubs to question if Quigley was eligble to play in these games. If he was then fine, no problems what so ever, but if they have broken the rules they have broken the rules and severly gained in doing so.

At the end of the day, Quigley was the difference between Bray and Sporting over the 2 games.

**brendy_�ire** · 01/12/2009, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by BYCTWD

As Derry are still affiliated to the FAI, I can't see this being a legitimate gripe.

But we're not. We had a contract with the FAI terminated.

I think it's safe to assume that our contract with Quigley (and all players) would have ran until the end of November at least, to cover us for the Cup final. Similarly, I would guess that Fingal's loan agreement would cover the same period.
The difficulty might arise if our players' registrations with the FAI ended when the club's contract with the FAI was terminated.
Since at that stage we wouldn't have been a League club, would that have invalidated our loan agreement with Fingal?

**tiktok** · 01/12/2009, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by brendy_�ire

The difficulty might arise if our players' registrations with the FAI ended when the club's contract with the FAI was terminated.

I don't think that would have been the case, didn't the FAI threaten to hold the registrations of any player who didn't come forward, so the players' registration must have been held [in some form at least] with the association separate to Derry.

**osarusan** · 01/12/2009, 11:48 AM

If Quigley's contract was no longer valid, would any punishment be subject to proof that it was Fingal who were at fault for the error?

**Ezeikial** · 01/12/2009, 12:03 PM

Its reasonable to expect any semi-efficient club secretary would check with the FAI about the status of a player in these circumstances.

It's not as if Quigleys loan from Derry or Derry's difficulties with the FAI would have been unknown to Sporting Fingal. If they did so check, Sporting Fingal should issue a statement for the benefit of their supporters to end this speculation

**tiktok** · 01/12/2009, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Sporting Fingal should issue a statement for the benefit of their supporters to end this speculation

Agreed. I'm sure the two lads are extremely worried right now.

**Captain2007** · 01/12/2009, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by corkboy360

Sad from Bray

Corkboy League officials brought it to Bray's attention after 1st play/off leg, just to clarify Bray would not have lodged protest otherwise, Fingal deserved their place in the top division over the 2 legs.

**pineapple stu** · 01/12/2009, 12:47 PM

Throw Cork out, keep Bray and giggle at Shels' request for a play-off replay. Everyone who matters happy.

**tiktok** · 01/12/2009, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Captain2007

Corkboy League officials brought it to Bray's attention after 1st play/off leg, just to clarify Bray would not have lodged protest otherwise, Fingal deserved their place in the top division over the 2 legs.

So it's true?
Strange that league officials would point it out.

**marinobohs** · 01/12/2009, 1:16 PM

Originally Posted by tiktok

So it's true?
Strange that league officials would point it out.

Why the F*****n hell did those officials not point it out to Sporting ? While they (any club) should not have to be told it is mindboggling that a league official would know a team was playing an illegible player and would warn the opposition and not the offender.

**Dodge** · 01/12/2009, 2:44 PM

Originally Posted by marinobohs

Why the F*****n hell did those officials not point it out to Sporting ? While they (any club) should not have to be told it is mindboggling that a league official would know a team was playing an illegible player and would warn the opposition and not the offender.

Is it realy mind boggling? Seriously, a league of official could dock a team 10 points for the colour of their socks and I'd just shrug at thsi stage.

Thats not to say that they didnt tell Finglas either. They might have thought "sod it, he's played in 2 play off games aleady" and played him hoping it'd blow over

Be interesting to see the FAI reaction while they're on their "fairness" high horse

**Fingal Fan** · 01/12/2009, 4:18 PM

A lot of grasping at straws going on here .Bray and Sligo had the opportunity to beat Fingal were it matters - ON THE PITCH - and didnt manage to do so . Move on .

**Dodge** · 01/12/2009, 4:26 PM

Originally Posted by Fingal Fan

A lot of grasping at straws going on here .Bray and Sligo had the opportunity to beat Fingal were it matters - ON THE PITCH - and didnt manage to do so . Move on .

You're obviiously new to the league...

**Hairy Bowsie** · 01/12/2009, 4:27 PM

It'd be a nice change to actually see something settled on the pitch.

**De Town** · 01/12/2009, 4:28 PM

Originally Posted by Hairy Bowsie

It'd be a nice change to actually see something settled on the pitch.

Feck that, it's way more exciting this way.

**Aaron** · 01/12/2009, 4:34 PM

When we had our contract terminated, did all players contracts go with it? I mean all players still had a contract with Derry City, so how can he be ineligable when still under contract with Derry.

AFAIK it was only Friday when the Administrator officially told the players they were redundant, so if thats the case then Bray dont really have a case do they?

**Sam_Heggy** · 01/12/2009, 5:10 PM

Originally Posted by City till I Die

When we had our contract terminated, did all players contracts go with it? I mean all players still had a contract with Derry City, so how can he be ineligable when still under contract with Derry.

AFAIK it was only Friday when the Administrator officially told the players they were redundant, so if thats the case then Bray dont really have a case do they?

Was McCleans transfer to Lincoln not initially held up by the FAI as he was still under contract with the LOI/FAI?
I doubt very much that Bray or Sligo will get anything out of this.

Also, Bray should have a look at their own 'keeper in the last 5 rather that Quigley. What was he at messing with the ball out there?
And as for Sligo, had Cretaro stayed on and Cook stayed attacking, I doubt if Fingal would be cup champions either. Doyle in particular was looking very dangerous down the left and Boco's attacking from deep was causing all sorts of problems. It's only when Cook went 4-5-1 that Fingal got any Joy and even then it was a mistake in the back line that cost.
I don't think Quigley made much difference in any of those 3 games that I saw.

**Aaron** · 01/12/2009, 5:23 PM

Originally Posted by Sam_Heggy

Was McCleans transfer to Lincoln not initially held up by the FAI as he was still under contract with the LOI/FAI?
I doubt very much that Bray or Sligo will get anything out of this.

Also, Bray should have a look at their own 'keeper in the last 5 rather that Quigley. What was he at messing with the ball out there?
And as for Sligo, had Cretaro stayed on and Cook stayed attacking, I doubt if Fingal would be cup champions either. Doyle in particular was looking very dangerous down the left and Boco's attacking from deep was causing all sorts of problems. It's only when Cook went 4-5-1 that Fingal got any Joy and even then it was a mistake in the back line that cost.
I don't think Quigley made much difference in any of those 3 games that I saw.

McClean never actually signed for Lincoln. There was confusion as some thought he couldnt sign but the FAI said he was now a free agent and could go when he wanted. He is apparently staying now

**Roo69** · 01/12/2009, 6:14 PM

Originally Posted by Sam_Heggy

Was McCleans transfer to Lincoln not initially held up by the FAI as he was still under contract with the LOI/FAI?
I doubt very much that Bray or Sligo will get anything out of this.

Also, Bray should have a look at their own 'keeper in the last 5 rather that Quigley. What was he at messing with the ball out there?
And as for Sligo, had Cretaro stayed on and Cook stayed attacking, I doubt if Fingal would be cup champions either. Doyle in particular was looking very dangerous down the left and Boco's attacking from deep was causing all sorts of problems. It's only when Cook went 4-5-1 that Fingal got any Joy and even then it was a mistake in the back line that cost.
I don't think Quigley made much difference in any of those 3 games that I saw.

If that's actually what this post was about i'm sure everyone would agree with you, but its not so it is completely pointless and off topic.

This is about weather of not Quigley was eligeble or not to play in the match. A lot of people on here are in the know and no one seems to have a clue, the same could be said for the FAI, Sporting, Sligo and Bray - Nobody seems to know if he could play or not.

No i would be pretty sure if Fingal knew they were 100% positive that he could play that they would issue a statement stating this, i think the FAI would do the same. Everyone seems to be keeping very quite so it would lead me to think there is something to the story.

As i've said earlier, IF and only IF Quigley was not eligable to play then something needs to be done. What the FAI do i don't know.

Someone stated above the the FAI brought it to Bray's attention, i would doubt this, if they had of brought it to Bray's attention they something would have been done before the 2nd leg had taken place, if they knew it was wrong they would have let Sporting know and not let the League come into yet more dissaray. From what i heard it was a question that Bray asked pretty much straight after the 1st leg.

As nobody seems to know i think it is a fair question for any team to ask being honest. If a team feels cheated then they have the right to ask questions, its the same with anything in life.

To say Quigley didn't make much of a difference in the 2 games against Bray is a completely false statement, he was man of the match in BOTH games for the numerous saves he made. He was by far the main reason why we did not score at least 4 more goals over the 2 legs. He also pulled of a very good save when the game was at 0-0 when Sligo were well on top. I'm sure he made several saves in the game against Shelbourne as well that stopped goals being scored.

If a situation that needs to be cleared up ASAP to stop speculation like this, it's doing none of the clubs or the League any good. The FAI need to get the finger out and issue a statement ASAP clearing this whole thing up.

**Sam_Heggy** · 01/12/2009, 6:41 PM

Originally Posted by Roo69

If that's actually what this post was about i'm sure everyone would agree with you, but its not so it is completely pointless and off topic.

This is about weather of not Quigley was eligeble or not to play in the match.

So Bray would have lodged a complaint even if they had won the play-off, because the result was pointless and the complaint was for the greater good?