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    Quote Originally Posted by endabob1 View Post
    My Post; did you see the draw for the 2000 european play-offs? The one that UEFA wanted to seed, had to back down because of complaints and then proceeded to keep the 4 would be seeds apart with home ties second.... Sorry that was a fix if I ever saw one.
    Too right it was

    Scotland v England
    Israel v Denmark
    Slovenia v Ukraine
    Ireland v Turkey

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    We just need to be the home crowd on both occasions then

    The Celtic Tiger will be back for one night only
    Who is this guy, Trapper Tony?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnold Layne View Post
    Too right it was

    Scotland v England
    Israel v Denmark
    Slovenia v Ukraine
    Ireland v Turkey
    But outside of maybe England why would they care who made it from the other ties, granted they look to be the slightly stronger teams?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeLorean View Post
    But outside of maybe England why would they care who made it from the other ties, granted they look to be the slightly stronger teams?
    The problem was, they wanted to seed the 4 teams that got draw away first, thats why the finger of suspicion was pointing at them. They only backed down when a fuss was made of it, but the 4 still got what UEFA wanted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnold Layne View Post
    The problem was, they wanted to seed the 4 teams that got draw away first, thats why the finger of suspicion was pointing at them. They only backed down when a fuss was made of it, but the 4 still got what UEFA wanted.
    Ok, I understand what you're saying I just don't see why they'd even bother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mypost View Post

    As for the reffing debate, it has as much validity as "the ridden rock solid" theory. A stonewall decision will be given by any ref in any game around the world. That has always and will continue to be the case.
    You must be joking, how stone wall was McShanes hand ball, and the ref looking straight at, unblocked, seemed he bottled it in favour of the home team, thank god.

    Thats one of millions of examples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishultra View Post
    We're weaker than Greece. Many of their players have experience of playing in Champions League year in year out and not just making up numbers actually being competitive. Players like Andrews and Whelan wouldn't be any better than what Greece have.
    I think if you need a player for player analysis of the eight teams in the play offs, ourselves and greece would be one of the weakest. However, you've gotta take into account the shape and organisation of the team and under Trap we are certainly strong in that regard. A team will always make mistakes but generally we are well drilled and have a sense of purpose. Arguably last night was the first match (competitive) under Trap that we got a result that we wouldnt have been satisified with beforehand.


    Quote Originally Posted by mypost View Post
    Look, the draw is the draw. It's a game of luck.

    Its not a game of luck with FIFA rig it the way they have so far and clearly couldnt care less what anyones think judging by their comments. In a sense, I think we may perform better if we are the clear underdog, however I would prefer France or Greece over Russia or Portugal.

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    I think Paul is right, Greece will be the sacrificial lambs from the first pot, thrown to the wolves- us and will be the only team from Pot 1 to play at home first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by endabob1
    My Post; did you see the draw for the 2000 european play-offs?
    Yes I did see it, and no it wasn't a fix.

    Quote Originally Posted by jbyrne
    there are many ways of fixing a public draw by the use of heating the balls, diff texture on the balls etc. and no one watching is any the wiser
    And cameras can and do zoom in on the balls while they're been stirred around. Every single ball is identical in the pot it's in.

    Another ridden rock-solid theory. If we were first seeds, none of this would be discussed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Polster
    You must be joking, how stone wall was McShanes hand ball, and the ref looking straight at, unblocked,
    Didn't see it at the game, so didn't think it was a penalty. Having seen it today, it still wasn't a penalty. Ball to hand if anything.
    Last edited by mypost; 15/10/2009 at 4:44 PM.

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    If I were Irish I'd want to avoid Portugal more than the others.

    Having watched Russia a few times recently I think they are a little over-rated and could be beaten if you defend well because they do occasionally give you chances. Although they have good attacking players they often try and pass the ball into the net so a well organised defence stands a decent chance.

    France are a team that can get complacent at times I think, they don't have as good a record historically as teams like Germany and Spain in qualification rounds. For all their talented individuals I'm not sure of their teamwork.

    Greece on the other hand had a nice group containing no really big teams in it. Hard to say whether they'll come through the play-offs, probably the side I'd most like to get.

    The trouble with Portugal is that they have a tendency to score 3 or 4 on their good days even when the opposition doesn't really do anything wrong, simply because of the quality they have. for that reason I'd say they're the team to avoid.
    "Life is like a hair on a toilet seat. Sooner or later you are bound to get pi$$ed off."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cymro
    Greece on the other hand had a nice group containing no really big teams in it.
    That might have something to do with their top seed status in the group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cymro View Post
    If I were Irish I'd want to avoid Portugal more than the others.
    I agree with you, "hey ronaldo, you're not going to the world cup unless you get your finger out.... " ehm, no thanks, we dont need that!
    "A silent mouth is sweet to hear"

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    What time is the draw on Monday.

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    1 in the afternonn according to the radio.

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    Don't know if this has been posted before, but St. Ledger is confident:

    http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/ne...ilence+critics

    "We are going to be coming up against a very good team, so we are probably going to have to step up another level. That's the nature of being in the play-offs. The best teams have got through to the World Cup and now the remaining ones are there. "They are there for a reason, we are there for a reason and they are going to be really, really tough games. Whoever we are going to get at this stage is going to be a tough team to play, but I feel we can beat anybody.
    "We are unbeaten in the campaign, and I would imagine it's a long time since that has happened. That's what the boss has brought in here, a lot of steel, grit and mentality not to lose."

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    Quote Originally Posted by mypost View Post
    Yes I did see it, and no it wasn't a fix.

    Didn't see it at the game, so didn't think it was a penalty. Having seen it today, it still wasn't a penalty. Ball to hand if anything.
    Save of the night for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polster View Post
    Save of the night for me
    Shay would have been proud of that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnold Layne View Post
    Too right it was

    Scotland v England
    Israel v Denmark
    Slovenia v Ukraine
    Ireland v Turkey
    All the 2nd seeds had their home legs first aswell, something was a bit fishy about it alright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cymro View Post
    France are a team that can get complacent at times I think, they don't have as good a record historically as teams like Germany and Spain in qualification rounds. For all their talented individuals I'm not sure of their teamwork.
    Personally im sh*tting it of France, I can see them delivering when it matters. Fair enough they've been poor so far but the talent they have is frightening compared to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    I think Paul is right, Greece will be the sacrificial lambs from the first pot, thrown to the wolves- us and will be the only team from Pot 1 to play at home first.
    as i said in another thread
    yeah for all the conspiracy theory people, Russia Portugal and France will all qualify and Ireland will draw greece and the ref will favour us and we will qualify because Trap used to manage Platini at Juve and will have a word in the ear of his former star pupil.

    thus fifa will then say they did not favour the seeded teams as they all did not qualify. so iam in favour of fifa/uefa and their underhand ways

    Ireland will also be drawn away to greece first as Trap has said he wants an away draw first and low and behold his "lucky" manager tag will come through again. But it is not what he knows in football but who he knows that will be the hallmark of this story.

    This tongue in cheek comment was made in jest but i for one will not complain if we benefit some favourtisim and get through

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