If that the UEFA equivalent of parachute payments in the English leagues ?
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Totall agree with this, for one min when I heard the 5k mentioned I was thinking maybe a chance as no more than 5 LOI games would probably exceed that in any season, then I immediately thought its really a benchmark not an exact limit, meaning just about any large attended event will not get the go ahead, GAA summer schedule, the usual summer concerts, other festivals etc.
Imagine also saying to your family, I'm away to wathc the Harps, Dundalk, Sligo etc, see you in 3 hours ! plus all of the other spots would be closed, bars and food places close to the ground, etc, its not happening lads.
Fair play to Pat's for going with a decision as it's clear that there'll be no LOI football this year.
Lots of silly talk about, including from the FAI CEO, after the government announcement yesterday which was totally unrelated to us. Does he really think Dalymount with effectively one stand or the likes of Finn Park or Oriel can open up safely in June or any time in 2020?
LOI facilities cannot in any way cope with a return for the foreseeable as social distancing will remain in place for a long time to come. Behind closed doors isn't really a runner here.
Time for the FAI, and everyone else concerned, to accept it as it is and put together a longer term plan. February 2021 should be the aim. Even that might be optimistic in hindsight.
Read somewhere that 12/13 of our players are out of contract at the end of this year. Why continue paying out silly wages when the league is almost certain not to be resumed? Unusually for a top team we have no real assets, in terms of potential sell on values, with the exception of maybe Leahy and Cleary, and nobody bar Rovers are going to pay silly wages, so by laying off players I wouldn't be too bothered about losing some completely if that were to happen.
That said, all this certainly leaves the 4 European clubs with headaches as UEFA may want to press ahead with their competitions behind closed doors if that was a possibility, although considering they want to complete the 2019/20 domestic and Euro seasons, when will the 2020/21 qualifiers even have a realistic chance of starting.
Id say the 5K thing isn't for sports it could allow for the eventuality of an election being needed for instance. To allow the count centres to operate for example , that's the only non sports mass gathering I could see being needed ? The LOI is in dire straits with all this but so are theatres , cinemas etc. Most theatres are no better equipped to allow for any kind for gatherings in the near future than our stadiums, they are probably worse off fact.
Bundesliga tentatively restarting behind closed doors on May 9th. Players back in training already.
But surely all it takes is one case of Covid-19 within 1 squad and the whole squad is quarantined for 2 weeks...along with maybe the squad of their opposition in the previous week or 2, messing up the already behind-schedule plans.
Basically but its just uefa give the FAI the money and say do what you wish with it. Only condition is it must be used for "youth and development" football
There's absolutely nothing about this whole situation that is in any way clear, positive or negative.
The CEO just said he wanted clarity on what mass gatherings of 5000 meant exactly and going by posts here it's clear to see that that's completely understandable.Quote:
Lots of silly talk about, including from the FAI CEO, after the government announcement yesterday which was totally unrelated to us. Does he really think Dalymount with effectively one stand or the likes of Finn Park or Oriel can open up safely in June or any time in 2020?
First bit is pure speculation. Second is not true, it's really really not ideal but it is a possibility.Quote:
LOI facilities cannot in any way cope with a return for the foreseeable as social distancing will remain in place for a long time to come. Behind closed doors isn't really a runner here.
Not how these things workQuote:
Time for the FAI, and everyone else concerned, to accept it as it is and put together a longer term plan. February 2021 should be the aim. Even that might be optimistic in hindsight.
This whole paragraph is ridiculousQuote:
Read somewhere that 12/13 of our players are out of contract at the end of this year. Why continue paying out silly wages when the league is almost certain not to be resumed? Unusually for a top team we have no real assets, in terms of potential sell on values, with the exception of maybe Leahy and Cleary, and nobody bar Rovers are going to pay silly wages, so by laying off players I wouldn't be too bothered about losing some completely if that were to happen.
Just about the only correct thing you managed to say in all thatQuote:
That said, all this certainly leaves the 4 European clubs with headaches as UEFA may want to press ahead with their competitions behind closed doors if that was a possibility, although considering they want to complete the 2019/20 domestic and Euro seasons, when will the 2020/21 qualifiers even have a realistic chance of starting.
It's pretty clear that there will be no football with crowds in the LOI this year. Anyone thinking otherwise is just hoping because we all need something to look forward to in these awful times. Not going to happen.
What clarity? He said it presented "an opportunity" for the LOI. The announcement was basically nothing to do with the LOI.
In any case, take Oriel for example. Average 3,000 crowd give or take. How many could you realistically fit in with social distancing? 600-800? Max. How do you decide who gets a golden ticket?
It's possible and it could happen but revenue wise it's going to generate very little or nothing, so can't see clubs going for it when it means paying out full wages. Not workable in this league unfortunately.
Nobody knows how these things work as it's never happened before but a June return is a complete non runner unless behind closed doors.
Why? End of the day in our case it's up to the owners but makes no financial sense to continue firing out mad money weekly when there is no certainty on a return date. Football shouldn't be different to any other business.
Thanks.
Its ok for supporters to hope for the best, but id like to think that there isn't a single club in the league working on the basis of wishful thinking. If any club doesn't cut its costs to the bare minimum soon , it wont be there to resume operations next January. Id say Rovers & Dundalk will be in the strongest position to bounce straight back next year but that also depends on how Uefa handle things.Quote:
It's pretty clear that there will be no football with crowds in the LOI this year. Anyone thinking otherwise is just hoping because we all need something to look forward to in these awful times. Not going to happen.
And what's wrong with hoping for the best? You're not just talking about standard work, exclude fans and everyone else from it footballers aren't you're average workforce just cancelling a season with so long to go in it could have serious mental wellbeing repercussions for them.
An announcement about large gatherings being allowed has everything to do with the LOIQuote:
What clarity? He said it presented "an opportunity" for the LOI. The announcement was basically nothing to do with the LOI.
Oriel Park is not the standard to work off in any sense of the wordQuote:
In any case, take Oriel for example. Average 3,000 crowd give or take. How many could you realistically fit in with social distancing? 600-800? Max. How do you decide who gets a golden ticket?
You can't see, that's different to it being a non runner. Have you much experience running football clubs?Quote:
It's possible and it could happen but revenue wise it's going to generate very little or nothing, so can't see clubs going for it when it means paying out full wages. Not workable in this league unfortunately.
Exactly nobody knows how these things work and that's exactly why blanket statement like just start planning for February are ridiculousQuote:
Nobody knows how these things work as it's never happened before but a June return is a complete non runner unless behind closed doors.
Ah yeah let's just ignore the human beings trying to support themselves and potentially families...Quote:
Why? End of the day in our case it's up to the owners but makes no financial sense to continue firing out mad money weekly when there is no certainty on a return date. Football shouldn't be different to any other business.
If the club can afford to they should pay players. Dundalk can.
The majority of squads are made up home based players so they will keep themselves ticking over fitness wise on the off chance something can be sorted out. I reckon most LOI players are taking care of themselves in the current crisis and would be ready and willing to play if the opportunity arises, hopefully it does !
Mental wellbeing is a major issue with all this, far beyond games of football, that's why we're being dripfed the bad news. When will you accept the season is done? By October when there's still no football? There's being hopeful and there's being realistic. Far more important things than football too.
It was to do with concerts and events that need licences to be applied for soon. Does he expect the government meant 4,999 can rock into Tallaght any time soon?
Could go through all the grounds. Tallaght and Turner's Cross could maybe cater for it but even then are you going to have everyone sitting 3 seats apart? What's the capacity then? Was using Oriel as an example. Majority of LOI grounds are kips.
What revenue do behind closed doors games bring in? I'd love to know how that could work in the LOI...
I said a longer term plan should be put in place with a February restart in mind. Maybe that's already being done behind the scenes who knows. It has to be on the table as a discussion at this stage. It has more of a chance than June.
Everyone's affected by this, there's over a million unemployed here now. Players aren't special cases. Rovers can afford to as well and they've made wage cuts (and don't come back with "that was the players' decision" bull). Pat's have seen what's coming and have acted appropriately.
I don’t think loi will start back in June or the end of August. Social distancing won’t work in the major of grounds.
When the seasons done I'll accept it but to go to someone and tell them that their job and something they love doing is done until February because you can't be arsed changing the plans every few weeks is absolutely ridiculous. There are more important things than football that's my while point, stop viewing these players as some sort of robot, they're humans.
The fact you're asking the question means that the fact he's asking for clarity is validQuote:
It was to do with concerts and events that need licences to be applied for soon. Does he expect the government meant 4,999 can rock into Tallaght any time soon?
Do you know what distancing measures are going to be in place in a month, nevermind a couple, no, exactly, so it's ridiculous to have statements like thatQuote:
Could go through all the grounds. Tallaght and Turner's Cross could maybe cater for it but even then are you going to have everyone sitting 3 seats apart? What's the capacity then? Was using Oriel as an example. Majority of LOI grounds are kips.
Adverts, pay per view, half time lottos, basically all match day income but on a smaller scaleQuote:
What revenue do behind closed doors games bring in? I'd love to know how that could work in the LOI...
Exactly, you haven't a ****ing clue what plans are or aren't in place, you're just being made aware of the most immediate ones at a time which is completely reasonable.Quote:
I said a longer term plan should be put in place with a February restart in mind. Maybe that's already being done behind the scenes who knows. It has to be on the table as a discussion at this stage. It has more of a chance than June.
And for you players don't come under everyone? Other companies are being held to the same standards, if they can afford it employees are to be kept on, football clubs are no different, Dundalk can afford it so shouldn't pass the buck to the taxpayer to save themselves a few quid. Yeah facts are considered bull now are they because you don't like them? **** off.Quote:
Everyone's affected by this, there's over a million unemployed here now. Players aren't special cases. Rovers can afford to as well and they've made wage cuts (and don't come back with "that was the players' decision" bull). Pat's have seen what's coming and have acted appropriately.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2020...icks-athletic/
Our club President spoke to RTÉ news.
Supporters enjoy the games just as much, and sometimes more, than players. It's affecting everyone involved. It's the hope that kills you. Why keep putting it off and off and off when we all know the LOI won't be returning with crowds this year. Stop the nonsense.
I'm pointing out that it's utterly ridiculous that the FAI CEO chose to do a video interview which raised people's hopes when the government statement was nothing to do with the LOI. The government didn't exactly make a great job of that particular announcement. It left more questions than answers.
We've basically been told social distancing will be in place for the rest of 2020, and possibly 2021 too.
Adverts where, in an online match programme? If the PPV is anything like the pilot project last year then you won't have too many paying for it, no matter how desperate they are to watch their team. I don't see too many clubs doing lottos at the moment when it's something they could possibly do. Our one isn't even running now as far as I'm aware.
"Basically all match day income". What?
For Dundalk and Bohs especially, bar revenue is massive. Bars will be the last place to reopen.
No need for the language. The only plan made public so far is June but it's just kicking the can down the road. Knowing how LOI clubs operate, June might be the only plan right now. Great if that makes you happy but it's just false hope. Not getting my hopes up because it would just be disappointment in the end.
Dundalk have no income at the moment - what they have in the bank shouldn't come into the business decision. Lots of companies and businesses who have plenty of money in the coffers have done the same. We should be looking after the club itself, not who is currently on the wage list at the moment.
Players don't care about clubs, sorry to tell you. What if Dundalk turned around next January and said 'sorry we have to make a 25% cut', do you think that a player would hang about if Rovers offered his full wages, even after receiving all his 2020 money while at Oriel?
Again, no need for the language. Yes I'm sure Ronan Finn rounded up the gang and said 'lets take a 25% pay cut'. You're obviously one of the fans that fell for it. A good PR agreement, no doubt.
So? Let them move on. Nobody is indispensable. These are exceptional times and people have to understand that and get on with it. Difficult decisions need to be made. Clubs should protect themselves, as Pat's have rightly done. They know what's coming.
The first one the most realistic of the 5? Can't see how behind closed doors is a viable option here.Quote:
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Imo sometimes a break from football is a good thing for everyone including clubs and society. I do the stats part of our website and I know that in 1972 we were kicked out of the LSL and not only that we didnt have a home as we were evicted from the Greyhound track and were homeless.
The following year we didnt play football at all and eventually in 1974 we had to restart over again and started in the Leinster Junior League and started all over again and at a temporary ground and then eventually worked our way up.
It proved a turning point in our history. I for one dont mind the break one bit. Fair enough the club will be out of money but they have season ticket sales to live on but at least they wont have to pay for Gardai,insurance, etc.
I think we are better off writing the season completely if things dont move the way of the FAI by year end. Maybe we can do the winter football next year.
Look at what happened to Derry City out of senior football for 13 long years and had to go down the leagues. Cork didnt have a loi team for two years. Limerick can get their house in order and get back in football next year.
Allow this time to investigate the possibilities of an all island league and see if its feasible. That would be my priority imo. Other people may not agree with me but thats the way I would approach it.
Maybe a break from the football is better for all. More important things to worry about.
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How would you like it if your job and something you love and something that keeps you fit and healthy told you that you weren't allowed to do it until February today but it became clear that you could have resumed everything in July but plans had been made for February and it was too late. Ignoring the financial aspect the mental toll would be devastating.
A statement on mass gatherings is everything to do with the LOI. And he was asked a direct question he didn't just blurt it out.Quote:
I'm pointing out that it's utterly ridiculous that the FAI CEO chose to do a video interview which raised people's hopes when the government statement was nothing to do with the LOI. The government didn't exactly make a great job of that particular announcement. It left more questions than answers.
But we don't know in what form and basically told isn't worth the paper it's written on these days.Quote:
We've basically been told social distancing will be in place for the rest of 2020, and possibly 2021 too.
In the corners, along the bottom, before and after the match, at half time, ****ing tonnes of space and time for ads, like literally every single televised game and some.Quote:
Adverts where, in an online match programme? If the PPV is anything like the pilot project last year then you won't have too many paying for it, no matter how desperate they are to watch their team. I don't see too many clubs doing lottos at the moment when it's something they could possibly do. Our one isn't even running now as far as I'm aware.
"Basically all match day income". What?
They won't be anything like the pilot numbers last year and I think the reasons for that would be pretty obvious even for you.
Yeah match ball sponsorship, programmes, half time lotto, etc could all run easily.
And? If your clubs relying on bar income you're in trouble, not exactly money making machines.Quote:
For Dundalk and Bohs especially, bar revenue is massive. Bars will be the last place to reopen.
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No need for the language. The only plan made public so far is June but it's just kicking the can down the road. Knowing how LOI clubs operate, June might be the only plan right now. Great if that makes you happy but it's just false hope. Not getting my hopes up because it would just be disappointment in the end.
What a company has in the bank shouldn't come into a discussion on its finances? Did you read that before you hit send?Quote:
Dundalk have no income at the moment - what they have in the bank shouldn't come into the business decision. Lots of companies and businesses who have plenty of money in the coffers have done the same. We should be looking after the club itself, not who is currently on the wage list at the moment.
No they haven't.
Employees don't have to care about employers, employers have a duty of care towards employees thoughQuote:
Players don't care about clubs, sorry to tell you. What if Dundalk turned around next January and said 'sorry we have to make a 25% cut', do you think that a player would hang about if Rovers offered his full wages, even after receiving all his 2020 money while at Oriel?
Again grow up.Quote:
Again, no need for the language. Yes I'm sure Ronan Finn rounded up the gang and said 'lets take a 25% pay cut'. You're obviously one of the fans that fell for it. A good PR agreement, no doubt.
And I've actually seen proof of it so yeah that's how it happened. May not be something you're interested in accepting but some people actually care about others unlike yourself seemingly.
Yeah and then as a club face the prospect of being told. The leagues restating in a month and you've 10 lads left, that makes senseQuote:
So? Let them move on. Nobody is indispensable. These are exceptional times and people have to understand that and get on with it. Difficult decisions need to be made. Clubs should protect themselves, as Pat's have rightly done. They know what's coming.
Don't see your point here. Hundreds of thousands of people are having to deal with being out of work with their job possibly gone for good. As I said before, players aren't special cases but you seem to think they are for some reason.
He was asked a direct question by the FAI's in-house media team. Totally different.
The 2m rule will stay in place for a long, long time.
Lots of businesses are facing uncertain times, job cuts etc. Don't think LOI sponsorship on a blurry stream will be top of their list.
I'm not talking about the pilot numbers, I've no idea what they were. I mean the quality of service, one of the games cut off midway through fgs. That was by a 'professional' company. Imagine some clubs doing it themselves.
Yes, I'm scared. No need to use those words to make your point.
The clubs are important. Players are numbers and can be replaced.
Yes they most certainly have. Liverpool furloughed staff in the UK before being shamed into a U-turn. Other EPL clubs have stuck with that scheme. Lots of successful businesses have done it here.
Generally if there's no work, you're let go.
I'm sure.
The season is a write off. See you in February.
And everyones working on being able to work as soon as possible, not having to wait for a potentially much later date for absolutely no reason other than some peop seem to have a problem with having the date they can watch football again pushed back every so often.
Not different at all it's a question he'd have been asked no matter what journalists were thereQuote:
He was asked a direct question by the FAI's in-house media team. Totally different.
You an expert in the area now?Quote:
The 2m rule will stay in place for a long, long time.
It's not about new sponsors, it's about not having to pay back existing deals.Quote:
Lots of businesses are facing uncertain times, job cuts etc. Don't think LOI sponsorship on a blurry stream will be top of their list.
One stream dropped once, stop the press ASAP get this on the front page...Quote:
I'm not talking about the pilot numbers, I've no idea what they were. I mean the quality of service, one of the games cut off midway through fgs. That was by a 'professional' company. Imagine some clubs doing it themselves.
What a ****ing horrible way to talk about a human beingQuote:
The clubs are important. Players are numbers and can be replaced.
Shamed into a uturn is the point there. And the UK furlough scheme isn't available here so thats an apple's and oranges comparisonQuote:
Yes they most certainly have. Liverpool furloughed staff in the UK before being shamed into a U-turn. Other EPL clubs have stuck with that scheme. Lots of successful businesses have done it here.
LOI isn't a big family, doesn't take many conversations to know someone who knows someone.Quote:
I'm sure.
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The season is a write off. See you in February.
It's called life. You seem to have a weird view of the world.
Can't be bothered replying any further to your latest nonsense.
https://www.the42.ie/league-of-irela...81155-Apr2020/
The FAI and league representatives had a chit chat earlier to come up with a few proposals, nothing in them that hasn’t been discussed on here.
Delegates from the FAI and the NLEC discussed the various options at length, including but not restricted to the following:
-> A resumption for the SSE Airtricity League behind closed doors on June 19th with the season to end no later than the end of December, a ‘behind closed doors’ policy to operate as long as HSE Guidelines recommend.
-> A resumption as planned on June 19th with stadium restrictions in line with HSE Guidelines including ‘behind closed doors’ and reduced capacity at 25% or 50%, the season to run until the end of December.
-> A resumption in July or August, based on Government advice and HSE guidelines.
-> A deferral of all National League activity until September with a reduced fixture programme season to run until the end of December.
-> A resumption of National League football in September with a full fixture programme season to run until the end of February 2021.
https://www.sseairtricityleague.ie/n...league/id-3276
From these options, I would have thought 4th and 5th would be more realistic, then there is a 6th not listed, possibly the most obvious one, complete cancellation of the 2020 season.
As a DoH official in my day job there is no chance of 2m being relaxed till a vaccine is produced never mind waves 2,3,4 coming later this year.
Its ****ty but reality is most likely no LOI till February at the earliest. Behind closed doors is doomed to failure or you suggesting we cocoon 22 teams at abbotstown give them all covid19 and then play ball after quarantine hoping none die and obviously giving it to the match officials as well , stewards, groundsstaff etc
Its horrible but clubs by June will lay off all the players. I hope I am wrong!
Lads - please keep it civil. I've left most of the debate there as most of it is fair enough. However i'll just delete posts like 'You seem stressed' as these are deliberately winding people up.
FAI asking LOI to consider the merits of playing matches behind closed doors and seeing of they could find a way to make it work.
Apart from the fact it decimates every income stream we have, I cannot see how a league would function where we'd have to stop if anyone in a squad tested positive. We don't have TV deals that force us into this, I don't understand why this would be given any consideration at all.
I think in fairness the league have put five options on the table and asked clubs to come up with a rough idea of cost/exposure.
It's definitely an option - and if it's not a viable one, then it won't go ahead.
I presume.
I can’t see the live streaming angle working. It would only be beneficial to some clubs if all streaming revenue was distributed from a communal pot and I’d say that’s a non runner. I’d suspect that Quinn is just stalling to see what the government, Fifa/Uefa will do for the league. The unfortunate thing is that in unprecedented times we have been found to have no options to continue, if normality can’t resume either can the LOI.
Cork and Pat's have already ruled out behind closed doors. The other 4 non European clubs in the Premier most likely have the same view.
The 4 European clubs will be guided by whatever happens with UEFA really. If our clubs were to draw a team from a country that will allow the tie to take place (example Belarus), where the Irish government might not, will our club be forced to forfeit the tie?
Could be a strange situation where the 4 clubs play European games but no more domestic games in 2020.
The First Division clubs seem to be forgotten in all this.
There was a report in the Sun saying streaming could cost anywhere between 2k (for a one man recording) and 8k for higher quality. Presumably that's the cost figure for a club to cover their remaining 15/16 home games.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soc...eland-21917699
Ollie Horgan on the merits playing a winter campaign.
Is Football in Ireland at a turning point again now with the Coronavirus?
The screening for covid19 technology is there if clubs want it and i believe it's reasonably cheap as well.
Dont know how you can get crowd in and out though? even working on low numbers & Behind closed doors wont be happening.
John delaney looking on in glee - whats this now ?? 14 unopened dole checks on his hall door mat :(