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Coming on now for last few minutes for Dele
Match ball and a hug from Jose. Jose making all the right noises. Next up will be a start vs Bayern
https://mobile.twitter.com/thespursw...0%2Fframe.html
Looked like Troy embraced him with the hug first. Some lick.
Better get the hugs in early with Mourinho. His early days are his nicest / best .
Great news, even if it was just five minutes at the end. So currently we have SIX Premier League forwards! And here's something cool to think about - even if only Connolly, Obafemi and Parrott make it from the group coming through, then we'll be pretty much sorted for strikers until the qualifiers for the 2036 Euros start! Longer if Odubeko's performance for West Ham's U18s today is anything to go by
Would he have got on if it was 0-0 or 1-0?
Probably not, but it was the same for Connolly - he came on with a few minutes left when Brighton were 4-0 down to Man City. Mourinho probably took the chance to stick him out there and get a first impression of how he looks in the big league, hopefully with a view to using him a bit more. With any luck he'll get some good time in the FA Cup in the New Year.Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
I actually thought the more interesting part of it was that, even though the game was won at half time, he still only gave Parrott five minutes off the bench at the end. Could easily have given him half an hour to take a good look at him at EPL level. Makes me think it might have been more of a ploy to get him to sign a new contract than a suggestion that he's about to get any meaningful game time any time soon. Hopefully he gets a decent run out in the Champions League dead rubber game but even that's not a meaningful game really for Spurs.
I was hoping Mourinho would give him a longer debut but no harm in a little taste to get the butterflies out (not that Parrott seems the type to be overawed). Then maybe it’s a start in a low stakes game, or 20 minutes while Spurs are comfortable, before earning his stripes from there.
Bottom line, Mourinho doesn’t strike me as a guy who will play Parrott for political reasons or to get the player to sign a new contract — if he’s giving him any game time, it’s because he’s at least curious to see how he does at this level — the fact Mourinho has that interest is all we can ask for and is hugely encouraging.
Lucas starts up front. Parrott on bench. Disappointing. Bayern have a pretty strong side out though
Not even a sub appearance. Just wasted my day. Thank you Mourinho
Not too surprising after he only got a token five minutes on Saturday. Hopefully a loan or even a permanent move away from Spurs in January, if he's not getting a decent run out in a dead rubber Champions League game, he hasn't got a hope of getting any decent Premier League game time any time soon.
If I was him I'd be steering well clear of the rumoured new contract offer.
If u dont take a new contract then likely he would be totally frozen out for all of next season and a season with no football at 18 would be a bit of a disasterQuote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
If he has a good agent he would be getting a move away sorted out.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
Bringing on Wanyama with a few mins to go when they were losing is vintage Mourinho. Parrott hasn't a hope of getting any sort of regular football while Jose is at that club.
This. As skstu would do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
I'd be worried of him falling down the leagues, but he does look like one that has the ability to rise above that.
Only a day or two ago we heard rumours of german interest. Go To Europe Troy!
Just like poch before him then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Yeah, easy to bash Mourinho but he's given Parrott more PL minutes in his two weeks at the club than Poch had anyway. Disappointing last night but Mourinho has more to consider than appeasing Ireland fans!Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I'm basing my opinion on Mourinhos history. He doesnt trust young players. With Poch I did have some hope that he would be used eventually. The 5 mins Mourinho gave him points more towards Mourinho trying to look good which is what he always trys to do early days to win over the fans.
I think that narrative about Mourinho is overplayed, not that it's untrue of course, but I think it's the same for most top managers who have taken over big clubs, where the remit is to win, win, win. Look at Guardiola at Man. City, Fodan gets a sniff every now and again and that's about it, even after impressing. Klopp has pretty much assembled a fully purchased XI at Liverpool, bar Alexander-Arnold. I didn't see too much criticism for him not using Ben Woodburn for example, an exciting forward in the same mold as Parrott.
Mourinho brought McTominay in out of nowhere, and continued to play Rashford consistently even with Ibrahimovic/Lukaku in the team. I think it'd take an injury crisis of significant proportions for Parrott to see proper game time at Tottenham in the near future, regardless of who the manager is. At least Mourinho has shown that he's on his radar though, I doubt he'd waste a sub option just to 'look good', not really his style regardless of it being early or late in his tenure.
I think we should wait and see if Troy gets time in the Cup before writing off his chances under Mourinho.
No need for polemics. I think Del is basically right.
In general, the better the side, the harder it is for a young player to get in. Take Liverpool, in the beginning Klopp played plenty of young players but most of them didn’t quite cut it (Jordon Ibe, Brad Smith, Dom Solanke, Kevin Stewart, Ovie Ejaria etc etc). In the end Gomez and Trent are the only ones to have remained (and it took a long term injury to Clyne to give them there chance) but the likes of Brewster and Jones and Elliott will still get an opportunity to show their abilities but for any young attacker, it’s tough competing against Salah, Mane and Firmino.
Re Mourinho. You could point to Davide Santon and Balotelli at Inter. No one came through at Chelsea which is obviously memorable but that was possibly systemic. But generally there are a few players here and there. Nonetheless, Kane, Son and Lucas is a pretty strong front three, not to mention the likes of Ali, Lamela and Eriksen who are also attacking players. Compare those guys to who Connolly had to bypass at Brighton, you begin to see what a challenge it is. Can’t see Troy playing more than the odd cup game here and there at least until one of them leaves or gets a bad injury. Someone like Kyle Walker Peters has a much more obvious path to the first team.
As far as the big managers of about 3 years ago went (Guardiola, Klopp, Pochetino, Mourinho, Wenger, Conte).
Wenger was probably the best in trusting young players, then Poch and Klopp, then Guardiola, finally Conte and Mourinho. Still, with the right bit of luck, who knows what could happen...
i know we cant wait for the next big Irish thing but he is only 17 after all. it will be two years at least before he is playing regularly for anyone imo..... and he will still only be 19 then!
I think our issue is that Jose got our hopes up.
Thing is, Mourinho doesn't majorly differentiate between the cups. Given Tottenham's trophy drought too, he'll view the FA Cup as a big opportunity to reinforce his reputation as a manager who delivers silverware. Parrott may get the nod if they draw extremely weak opposition, but I wouldn't be overly confident about his chances. I'd be happy if he can continue to make the match day squads and come off the bench here and there.Quote:
Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
As it was a competitive game maybe he wants to tie him to Tottenham? :)
A bit more patience required here, as has been pointed out he is 17 years of age.
In and around the squad of the Champions League runners up getting the odd few minutes and training with the first team is a good place to be. I don’t get the clamber for a loan move (yet) and definitely don’t get the the calls for a move to Germany. The boy isn’t even an adult and would be moving to a new country new language new culture new food new methods and with nobody he knows around all with no immediate prospect of more first team football, that is a hell of a gamble considering his development to date and getting a run out for Spurs.
We should be happy enough with where Troy is at for now at least.
The Germany thing is lunacy and I guess the loan move to the championship is us ( me anyway) being selfish. re he will more than likely play and get goals giving him 3 months to play his way into the reckoning for SlovakiaQuote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
Why is the Germany thing lunacy? Just because its not the usual route for Irish players? Going to Italy was the not the usual route and Robbie took it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
In most cases a kid at 17 would have loads of time and there would be no need to rush him, Idah for example I wouldnt be advocating for him to leave Norwich except maybe on loan. But with Parrott we are seeing a player who has already shown he has out grown underage football. If he is to be the generational player that he has the possibility to be then wasting 2 more years playing with the u23s will only hurt his development. Look at some of the top clubs on the continent this season, Barcelona have played Fati at the age of 16 and he has scored for them, Rodrygo at 18 did the same for Real Madrid during the week. Mbappe looks like the 2nd coming of Pele and is only 20 with a few years of first team football behind him already.
Im not saying that Parrott is Mbappe by any means but what is wrong with wanting him to progress as quickly as possible and at least see if he can become a World Class player. I'd much rather him go somewhere where his talent would be used rather than somewhere like Middlesboro on loan where he will just get kicked week to week.
Stephen Kenny said it himself in recent interview that we in Ireland are too slow to progress young players sometimes.
Personally I've no problem with him not getting an appearance, I don't think there's any rush. As a comparison when Harry Kane was Troys age, he had just finished his first loan move at Leyton Orient and was a couple of months shy of his first appearance for Spurs. Didn't work out too bad for him or England.
Of course I say this in jest, but it is a good sign, an indication from the boss he sees a future for him at Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
I still stand by this comment, just replace Pocc with Mourinho. I’m certainly more optimistic than when mourinho first got the job. Let’s see what happens in the next couple of months. Leaving spurs in a bigger risk in January at the age of 17 at this stage. Time will tellQuote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
Okay, so it looks like we'll have to be patient, but that Parrott will get some chances under Mourinho. Firstly, if Football Insider is to be believed, there will be no loan deal and a new, better contract, with Parrott seeking assurances of first-team involvement: https://www.footballinsider247.com/s...m-player-exit/
Mourinho is also quoted as saying the following:
https://www.balls.ie/football/mourin...develop-422304Quote:
Parrott is a 17-year-old boy that played five minutes in the Premier League and we’ll give him more time. He needs more time to develop and so yes Harry is fundamental for us.
So I'm still hopeful that Parrott will get more game time in the Cup or late in games where the result is already decided and hopefully more than that, if he impresses.
He would be swapping one bench for another. He wont walk the starting 11 of Dortmund or Bayern munich. Staying with spurs and go out on loan just like kane did. He turned out ok!Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Deserved red card for Son, violent conduct. Assume 3 games and missing the festive season. Potential opportunity for Parrott for more bench spots. And not an injury in sight, hope wishing suspensions upon competing non-irish players is permissible and non-offensive!
Once you don't also state that you hope he gets hit by a bus before completing his ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
Pulled left hamstring for Kane. A few weeks by the looks of it. Will this be Parrotts chance? Or will Mourinho find another striker in transfer window?
Likely attributable to Mourinho playing him into the ground over the festive season.
Mourinho on Parrott from today’s press conference:
“The next step for him is to sign a new contract at the club long-term and then it is for everyone to decide what is the best for his development. In this club, we care about our players. It is also to find the best pathway to develop.”
On the possibility of playing in FA cup on Sunday: “It’s possible, it’s possible.”
Not hugely promising. Appears to be trying to blackmail / pressure him into signing a new long term contract without any guarantee of playing time or definitive pathway. Not exactly the way to hold onto your best young talents. Parrott is in a tricky situation right now. Let’s see what happens in the next few weeks
Easy imo sign a long term contract with the strict written agreement he can go on loan?
Parrott goers to Charlton ( or the like) and if he is as good as I believe he is, he will do the business there and be a better player for club and country
Kane likely to miss "several weeks" with a torn hamstring - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50986271
Mourinhos comments show that he doesnt want to use Parrott. I've said it before, if I was Parrott I wouldn't be signing that contract