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What checks and balances? Zero hours contracts?
The EU did nothing for the people.
One of the reasons they rejected it.
It could not really be any worse than it is.
The EU protect nobody from anything, that is the problem.
You seem to think it is some sort of Guardian angel, but all we have seen is rising inequality in the UK whilst in the EU.
As you yourself point out, Gove privatised public legal aid funding to the poor, were was the lovely EU to protect the poor?
Nowhere to be seen.
Fact is many people had nothing left to lose.
"Without the EU there is no effective governance mechanism to protect the UK from its own undemocratic and illiberal instincts."
Corrected to:-
"Within the EU there was no effective governance mechanism to protect the UK from its own undemocratic and illiberal instincts."
Really the EU has done next to nothing.
Worker have been stripped of pretty much every right one way or another.
Maybe it will bring about an early General Election?
Here's an interesting take on the whole situation which appeared in the Guardian comments section:
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Guardian comment:
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.
Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
How?
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.
Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
How?
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.
The British government has lost its appeal in the UK's Supreme Court, meaning the British parliament will have to vote on triggering Article 50: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ote-article-50
The devolved governments have also had their cases rejected, meaning there is no legal requirement to consult them on Brexit. Essentially, it means they won't have a veto and their will can be by-passed by Westminster.
Alex Salmond is talking up the likelihood of a second Scottish independence referendum, as is probably to be expected: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-38723261
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Originally Posted by BBC News
Some politician in the North there just suggested a second referendum, just caught the end of a news item.
Any idea who it was or which party?
I don't think that would go down well across the water. There's pretty much no chance of it happening. Neither Labour nor the Tories would entertain the notion of having a second referendum. Labour's position is pretty much, "Yeah, we supported Remain, but we have to accept the will of the people now." And they sort of do for their own survival as a credible force in English politics; if Labour pursued the Lib Dems' route of demanding a second referendum, I'd only see them losing further votes to UKIP.
If the Union is to persist, I do still think regional exceptions or special arrangements should be made as the political culture and climate in England is vastly different to that in Scotland and the north of Ireland. What the English might think of as good for them (although I doubt the utterly-bonkers idea of a hard Brexit will have a silver lining), will very certainly be disastrous for Scotland and Ireland.
May won't visit the North before triggering A50. Not like her to not keep her word. A thoroughly useless PM.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0327/862...urgeon-brexit/
Looks like they pulled her out of her coffin for that second photo.
I'll send them some nails so that she never comes out.
I actually can't get over the sheer arrogance. I mean, i get that the Tories are arrogant and am kinda used to the concept given their history, but I'm flabbergasted that they just keep moving the goalposts on their arrogance.
David Davis on QT last night talking about immigration is a case in point.
Actually, is it arrogance if you're completely devoid of ability, intelligence and you're all at sea?
Nicola Sturgeon now has a mandate from the Scottish parliament to push for indyref2 as MSPs have just voted to back a second referendum by 69 votes to 59: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39422747
Shocked that the BBC didn't state that she "narrowly" won.
In other news, the Tories have indicated that they are going to block the vote until the 2020s.
Are they seriously that inept?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live
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Originally Posted by The Grauniad
Here's the video. Mundell is a cretin.
https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/s...b01ea2330bcee3
This is a tweet that was below Mundell's. Classic.
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Originally Posted by Michael Brogan
https://twitter.com/Michael45788700/...68756105920515
Guardian front page on January 1973 when the UK (as well as Ireland and Denmark) joined the EEC:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8E8kIYXQAEARPa.jpg
Here's the original tweet:
https://twitter.com/dansabbagh/statu...25130198970368
Interesting piece at the bottom left as Martin McGuinness was arrested the day before by the Gardaí in Letterkenny.
Here's the text referring to Ireland:
http://news.sky.com/story/britains-a...-text-10817451Quote:
v. In particular, we must pay attention to the UK's unique relationship with the Republic of Ireland and the importance of the peace process in Northern Ireland. The Republic of Ireland is the only EU member state with a land border with the United Kingdom. We want to avoid a return to a hard border between our two countries, to be able to maintain the Common Travel Area between us, and to make sure that the UK's withdrawal from the EU does not harm the Republic of Ireland. We also have an important responsibility to make sure that nothing is done to jeopardise the peace process in Northern Ireland, and to continue to uphold the Belfast Agreement.
It sounds like Germany is going to make Brexit very difficult for the UK: http://uk.businessinsider.com/german...iations-2017-3
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Originally Posted by Lianna Brinded
And the EU has also, on behalf of member state Spain, agreed to make accord between the UK and Spain on the status of Gibraltar a condition of any overall Brexit deal for Britain: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39453535
This really is fast becoming a nightmare for the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by BBC News
https://media.tenor.co/images/544514...d53c/tenor.gif
Guy Verhofstadt more or less guarantees no hard border:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-liveQuote:
Originally Posted by Lisa O'Carroll, The Grauniad
Great news. I assume this is the EU acknowledging the special circumstances of the north and pretty much saying that special status is a reality/possibility, as far as the EU is concerned. If the UK government similarly has no interest in imposing a hard border in Ireland - as the likes of Theresa May and David Davis have been claiming - then they'll presumably place the effective UK-EU border around Britain.