https://m.independent.ie/sport/socce...-38794893.html this sets out the arguments well all of which have been well aired on here
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https://m.independent.ie/sport/socce...-38794893.html this sets out the arguments well all of which have been well aired on here
Fair play to Johansson.
Things I’d say:
1) FIFA are wrong, if not legally then morally. A 15 year old child who has been lied to by the Luxembourg FA cannot make an informed decision.
2) If the FAI weren’t broke, they should be paying for CAS. This decision has plenty of knock ons. In the circumstances, Bayern should offer to pay his CAS case. It’s pennies to them.
3) The ruling as it stands means that Dan Crowley is also ineligible I guess. Which is really sad. Another kid who had no idea the choice he was making.
4) Really stresses the importance of insuring that Liam Delap, Louie Barry and CJ Reilly all have irish passports before March when they’ll be playing for England U17s. Once again, the FAI should really have someone employed to take care of this process for the kids and the parents.
5) The best thing the FAI could do is lobby for a change to the rules. The rules were changed about 12 years ago because Algeria proposed a rule change and the majority of the nations agreed with it. A simple wording change to “eligible or entitled to eligibility” would be enough to solve this problem and wouldn’t really harm any other nations except perhaps Sweden re Johansson. (Perhaps a rule change that Delaney or Mooney could have swung? He joked)
6) might be no harm for Stephen Kenny to have him training with his side in March. The family are giving the sense that they’re anxious not to lose out on him playing underage international football, well having the opportunity of working with Stephen Kenny would be a big and positive statement from the FAI and from Kenny.
7) There’s definitely a feeling that his family are doing their best to get the story out as far and wide as possible that he wants to play for ireland. No harm considering the reaction the likes of Grealish and Rice have received. Good for a young man like him to avoid all the idiots online who would hammer him if he ended up playing for Sweden.
Yeah, have to wonder about the Dan Crowley situation now. Was he registered on the FBR before lining out for England U16? I assume he was because he was already to be called up for Irish senior team so you'd assume it was cleared with FIFA
Crowley did appear in friendlies for the Ireland under 17s in 2013, and had played for the u16s before that. You'd hope he had his Irish passport at that stage, but possibly not.
The callum robinson sitution would indicate yes, the issue is now going forward and Dan hasn't been okayed.
If we lose this battle we will lose the war on this, as every granny rule player who played for England underage or whoever is now gone. ( none of them will have Irish passports)
I welcome Ryan's legal action, but should our friends in Abbottsown not also been engaging their solicitors as well.
Was there something similar with Tim Cahill - I think played for Samoa youth team? And then was able to play for Australia after an appeal!
Yeah, he played when he was 14 or something, but he only accepted the call up because he wanted a free flight to see his grandparents!
Samoa didn't object to his transfer to Australia either
I can't say Im impressed with that legalese
There's even an attempt to reinterpret the Irish citizenship laws, that just because Ryan was entitled to apply for Irish citizenship is claimed to be the equivalent of actually being an Irish citizen.
And the fact that Ryan's parents were aware of his decision to switch to Luxembourg nullifies the exploitation argument.
That just leaves the fickleness of youth argument, which is a truth but not a defence for malfeasance.
Nationality is murky and undefinable in this modern world we live in. Brexit has been a great example of this.
Yep, its positive certainly.
Yes, I think the FAI should have been doing more. They certainly should have been liaising with DFA when the eligibility changes were made 12 years ago that ElastedScum referred to. It's disappointing, because you'd have to think that these changes would have been circulated to all FIFA members. A simple meeting with relevant DFA officials, even between the two legal departments, would have worked out that this had the potential to be a problem. However there's nothing to say that this didn't happen, but maybe the FAI decided to ignore the situation in the idea that 'well it's not been a problem previously, and nobody has called us out on it before, lets truck on'.
I don't necessarily agree that we'll lose the war. In a way I nearly like what FIFA are doing, apart from the fact that it definitely aids the bigger nations more than the weaker ones who generally rely on this type of player. I would imagine Turkey will be a little nervous in this situation, particularly with so many of their internationals over the years being 2g'ers from Germany.
I'll qualify what I like about it, and I'll preface this by saying my understanding of the eligibility laws is nowhere near as strong as some of you.
Take 3 players: Player A was born in Ireland, to Irish parents - simples. Player B was born in Scotland, to a Scottish father and Irish mother: simples. Player C was born in the Netherlands to a Finnish father who had a Bosnian father and Albanian mother, and a Belgian mother with an Irish father and an English mother. Murky. We all know A&B, and C is a 'dramatization, may not have happened' scenario.
In FIFA's eyes, player C can play underage for one team, and could play for any one of 6 other nations. Hell, he may not have played underage for any of the 7, but could get called into squads for a number of the 7 as a Senior international without playing for any of them and still get called up by another one of the 7. Ensur.
The problem with this resolution is that it's closing the door after the horse has bolted. The other problem goes back to my first point, which is that Nationality is so far mixed that it's very hard to define.
What the FAI could do, in conjunction with the DFA and their missions around the world, is to actually be proactive. Release a short video, on what is required and get Missions to post on their social media channels. Bring exposure to the issue.
I'm almost in full agreement with you. It's not the fickleness of youth argument, it's the fickleness of parents, erm, argument. A child cannot dictate to parents what they must do.
The 15s won yesterday again https://www.fai.ie/ireland/news/irel...australia-u17s and had an American lad involved who it looks like noel king personally delivered https://mobile.twitter.com/oakwood_a...52241187692549
Could Lukas Jutkiewicz be 2020's Bernie Slaven???
Ryan Johansson moving to Sevilla, have we given up hope on his availability to us yet
Declared for Sweden according to his agent today. It’s on Newstalk
Seems to be a suggestion that it's because he wouldn't have been allowed to play for us, so chose Sweden over Lux.
https://twitter.com/KennysKids/statu...786520576?s=19
Grim stuff on Johansson. I'm disgusted they didn't budge in FIFA on this.