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The young boy got himself a great move today. I think Ince has an eye for a player and this young boy should be banged into the squad asap..has a real physical presence that young boys like miller and whelan just dont have. Thats my opinion and im sticking to it.
he is 28 in 3 weeks time - hardly a young boy, hardly one for the future...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ireland4ever
Jays SkStu, you have little to be contributing if thats the way your going on! Relative to arguably our most consistant midfielder over the last 2 years, Lee Carsley, the lads a nipper!Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Seen the chap play a couple of times in the MK stadium this time last year and the lad was head and shoulders above the rest of players on the park - Strong, mobile, good in the tackle and can have a pop as well.
Who knows better late than never in terms of making his Ireland debut!! Take him already over O'Shea or Miller in the middle of the field.
havent seen much of the guy at all and i trust your evaluation of him (Ciaran, not so much) but it was the young boy bit i was objecting to - hes not a young boy. A young boy is closer to 10, not pushing 28.Quote:
Originally Posted by Speakthetruth
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Ah yeah, no bother lad...this guy fits the bill for one half of a combative midfield duo that trap seems to favour..perhaps himself and reid could be the next combo we might try!Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
But yeah, I agree about your classification of what a "boy" is, but sure its all relative..Ireland4ever could be an old timer!
Throw him into the squad just because he moved from MK Dons to Blackburn:ohas not even played a game yet.Keith Fahey should be in a head of this loser.
It's a big move for the guy, but it's a long time since any player made that kind of jump, and was a success. Finnan played his way up the divisions, improving all the time, before moving to Liverpool. Just by comparison, Robbie Earnshaw failed to impress, and Bobby Zamora has been hit and miss despite both scoring all around them in the lower leagues.
I hope it works out for Andrews, I really do, but it really could have a negative outcome
Good man, "Loser", sad Indictment that you cant wish a lad well after getting a move to the best league in the world...I'm an avid fan of the EL but if these guys are good enough, they will be picked...end of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bohemian1890
If the guy performs at the highest level, no doubt he will get his chance under Ince, then of course he deserves a place in a squad thats not awash with quality midfielders...
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Originally Posted by Speakthetruth
My point is the guy went from MK Dons to Blackburn and you have people saying he should be in the squad asap :confused:its like moving from Rovers to Bohs not everyone can handle that step up,If fahey went to derby he would be in the squad sad fact.
How often have you see Andrews and Fahey??
That is not true and you know it bet Dave Mooney will be playing for Ireland within six monthsQuote:
Originally Posted by Speakthetruth
lads,
id put good money on it that Ireland4ever was being sarcastic with his original post...
[QUOTE=Bohemian1890;1009325]My point is the guy went from MK Dons to Blackburn and you have people saying he should be in the squad asap :confused:its like moving from Rovers to Bohs not everyone can handle that step up,If fahey went to derby he would be in the squad sad fact.
How often have you see Andrews and Fahey??[/QUOTE
Knew that was coming, I said earlier that I lived in London and took an avid interest in the guy as he was captaining an upcoming side in the capital whilst earning rave reviews...seen him live 6 or 7 times and impressed me. In terms of Fahey seen him god knows how many times back in the day as I' m down watching the saints week in week out...
Sean Scanell had v.few starts for palace last season and was called into a squad that arguably has wingers down as there forte (duff,murphy,hunt,mcgeady)...IMO, we are weakest in central midfield and this guy is an option if he gets his game.
just like Roy O'Donovan?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bohemian1890
No just like Kevin Doyle,Mooney went to the Championship O'Donovan went to EPL.And if O'Donovan had of being getting his game he would be in the squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Speakthetruth
[quote=Speakthetruth;1009335]It took Fahey years to realise his potential and he can pass the he ball just as good as anyone in that squad and he plays centre mid:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bohemian1890
Kevin Doyle was banging them in through his first season, why wouldnt he be in the squad??? Playing a higher level of football, lets face it, and performing!
I infer that your suggesting any EL player who gets a move to the Championship ends up in the Ireland squad...Jason Byrne & George O'Callaghan are two prime examples of players who were regarded as the best in the EL went to the Championship and didnt get a cap during their time there...Oh wait, yeah they didnt get a game for their clubs either! Ironically Byrne received his 2 caps whilst playing for Shels!! And even then, they were of tokeneque ala Stephen Geogahan & Glen Crowe...
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Originally Posted by Speakthetruth
Byrne scored his debut and got injured after that O'Callaghan played a good few games.
Glen Crowe was the best irish player that night FACT didnt seem a step up for him:confused:and Fahey is playing European football step up from championship level.
As you didnt know that Fahey played centre mid you must have be lying saying you support pats real Oirish fan,Ole,Ole
Lads will you settle down. He should not be in the squad just cause he made the move from MK Dons to Blackburn. However if he is a star in the Premiership then he should be in the squad. Also he is not a loser just cause he is in the squad.
Regarding Fahey I think he is class and should be in the squad at least for a friendly but he does have a habit of drifting out of games at times and he did it for a good while tonight in the 2nd half. I am a big fan of his though.
There are so many OTT comments in this thread so far from both sides.
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Originally Posted by Speakthetruth
He is not as good as Andy Reid and football is not all about passing the ball. Fahey goes missing at times and does not look for it at times when the going gets tough. Just like Gerrard does for Liverpool.
Just cause some people are using hyperbole about Andrews no need to respond with Hyperbole about Fahey. It does not do your argument or Faheys any good.
[quote=NeilMcD;1009365]Well a lot of people seem to think Gerrard is word class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bohemian1890
I am hardly doing Fahey any harm as most of the people on here dont know who he is but they know he is crap:rolleyes:
We'll find out soon enough if Andrews is good enough - the truth is; none of us know how good he can be, not even Ince or Andrews himself. Five or ten solid games in the Premiership would be enough to get him into the Irish squad - if he stays on the bench or fails to impress, then it's no disaster, we'll just have to wait for Gibson or Garvan to come good. No-one can deny that Andrews has a once-in-a-lifetime chance now, particularly given the position he plays in, to stake a claim for the Ireland squad. Could be the next Holland or Kinsella. Oh, and don't forget that Andy Townsend enjoyed a similarly rapid rise to prominence back in the day - from Weymouth to the old First Division!
Ince obviously sees something in him - why didn't he try to sign Garvan, O'Toole, Alan Quinn, Stephen Quinn, McPhail, McCann, Rowlands or any other competent lower-league midfielder? He obviously knows something that we don't.
As for Fahey, he's obviously a decent player, but seems to be more in the Hoolahan mould - tidy, good technique, but not big or muscular enough for the modern game at any elevated level. Probably still better than Miller though!
exactly, everyone calm down and wait and see. I wouldnt be getting excited yet, but nor would I be knocking the lad down...
when did I say Fahey didnt play midfield ya ham!...sad sign when you have to invent things to support an arguement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bohemian1890
Its well known Jones didnt rate Byrne when he got there, hence he cut his losses and let him go for free...Point is neither of them cut the mustard and i didnt see either in the squad..hence, my point if your GOOD enough, you Should be selected! The guys just didnt make the grade.
How come Crowe wasnt a regular then? Hardly, going to respond with your generic EL conspircy theories are ya?
He's already given Whelan, Delaney and Hoolahan their first caps, and with the number of players from the current U-21 setup who are overage for the next campaign, it's highly likely that one or more of them will make the step up to the senior team over the next 2 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
its a massive step up for him ,he looks good and ince must think he can handle it but as for him to be called into the squad is a joke .you get called into the squad cause you deserve it not cause you signed for a premiership team
Classic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
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Originally Posted by Bohemian1890
and if he is, it'll be because he will be fitter, better coached and used to playing at a higher level than he was
I like the look of Ince as manager and have changed my opinion of late, i dont think Blackburn will be the relegation material that i thought they would be. As for Andrews, Im not sure if he will make the starting 11 straight away but hopefully he'll be given his fair chance. A partnership with S Reid would do very nicely.
It's always good to see more Irish players playing at the top level. If he proves himself then he should be in the squad.
I've no idea about Andrews and his ability to play Prem or international football.Quote:
Originally Posted by disabledrog
But it's not entirely beyond possibility that Ince has signed him for reasons other than strictly footballing ones.
There are rumours of dissent in the Rovers dressing room, as often happens when a strong character like Ince takes over from an equally strong-willed, but popular, man like Hughes.
In such circumstances, the new manager often likes to get someone he trusts 100% into the Dressing Room, so he can find out what's really going on behind his back. (Brian Clough used to do it all the time, with players like O'Hare and Bowyer following him from club to club).
In which case, since Andrews won't have made much of a dent in his transfer and wages budget, it won't matter hugely to Ince whether he plays regularly or not.
Just a theory, mind.
why is nobody on aboun noel hunt in dat case as he has played at a higher level dan mooney and has aquitted himslef v well at itQuote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
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Originally Posted by Speakthetruth
IMO, we are weakest in central midfield and this guy is an option if he gets his game. that is a quote from you.
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Originally Posted by jbyrne
How will he be fitter??Better coached you know this how??I take you know how Reading and Cork players are coached??Higher level how is that??
if you think that the coaching, facilities, level of football etc at cork are on a par with reading you're in dreamlandQuote:
Originally Posted by Bohemian1890
If you know nothing about Cork or Reading coaching then dont talk about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
likewise! but id say my assumptions are way closer to the truth than yoursQuote:
Originally Posted by Bohemian1890
I go on facts Mooney was full time like he will be at Reading,Stephen Ward went over scored a few goals and was tipped for player of the month all in his first month over there.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
His fitness was fine and he said coaching was more or less the same.
I am going on that someone who has played European football and LOI football has said it and thats good enough for me.
I can't see how Andrews justifies the term loser being thrown at him. Most Irish fans will be pleased at his progress, whether or not he turns out to be a latter day Kinsella. But we live in hope - or some of us do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bohemian1890
You seem very angry. I also think resorting to the Ole Ole cliche against another poster on this forum is very strange indeed. Why are you cross & why do you think it is OK to call Andrews a loser?
All, i know a member of the Andrews family and i think he ( Keith ) may have told Don Givens the truth allegedly so I would not hold your breath waiting for him to play. He was youngest captain of Wolves and could not get a game he was in the premier before and could not get a game so why should he get one now
The 'truth'? :confused: Little bit ambiguous - could you elaborate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Karl Phillips
Is it beyond the realms of possibility that a player could have improved between the ages of 23 and 27?! He came on for the second half today, which is encouraging.