How did you guys score the fight? Anyone watch it?
No way Calzaghe won that fight. I could understand a draw but winning by such a wide margin on one card? :mad:
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How did you guys score the fight? Anyone watch it?
No way Calzaghe won that fight. I could understand a draw but winning by such a wide margin on one card? :mad:
115-112 Calzaghe
American judges will always lean towards fighters who move forward. The 116-111 card in Calzaghe's favour was a round or two unkind to Hopkins but similarly the judge who gave it 114-113 to Hopkins was a round or two unkind to Calzaghe.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
Hopkins definitely tired in the second half, you'd expect that from a man of 43, but he did not help his cause with his below the belt antics, particularly after his trainer Freddie Roach before the fight appeared to encourage a bit of 'rule bending'.
The disappointing aspect was the refereeing of Joe Cortez who should have definitely docked Hopkins a point for use of the head and who allowed Hopkins to hang on and tie up Calzaghe throughout the fight when a few weeks ago the same Joe Cortez warned Ricky Hatton several times for exactly the same thing.
You would have to say that Calzaghe must have done enough to get get up off the floor and then get the nod from 2 of the 3 American judges in America.
That doesn't mean it's the correct decision though. Look at Marvin Hagler versus Ray Leonard for an example of how lots of expenditure of energy can win you fights, even if you are out-punched and out-thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superhoops
I'm not saying the Calzaghe decision was wrong, as I haven't seen it, but the fighter who comes forward shouldn't get some kind of headstart from the judges.
The decision was right Calzaghe won clearly. Apart from the 1st and 9th Hopkins didnt do enough. Hopkins was shot in the last 3 rounds and was in survival mode
It's split most boxing fans and ringside observers. I thought Hopkins deserved at least a draw. Most of Calzaghe's slaps missed and the effective punches came from Hopkins. Now Calzaghe wants to fight Roy Jones.........a 39 year old who got knocked out by Glencoffe Johnson a while back.
I thought it was a draw or a one point win for Calzaghe. The 116-111 verdict was a bit of a joke i thought.
I scored it 115-112 Calzaghe. My Dad scored it 114-110 Calzaghe.
Calzaghe deservedly won IMO. Hopkins was lucky not be disqualified as he kept charging into Calzaghe with his head.
Calzaghe won all the middle rounds. Hopkins won the first two but lost the next 6. Calzaghe won it purely on jabs alone and proved you can win without the big punchs.
I was shocked to see one judge gave the fight 116-111 Hopkins.:eek: The other 2 scores seemed spot on.
114-113 Hopkins was the first score that was read out wasn't it?
Could have been. I was half asleep when it was read out.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
How did he manaage 114-110? Very strangeQuote:
Originally Posted by rambler14
I had it 114-113 and that was with a 10-8 opening round for Hopkins.
Please not all scoring was done under influence of alcohol
For Hopkins to get 110 knowing he won the first 10-8, he could have only won or shared one more round and lost the other 10. Not even the most biased Calzaghe fan could have seen the fight the way although one of the judges only gave him one more round than that with a score of 111.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Yes it was and normally whoever wins on the first card will get the 3rd aswell(in a split decision) , however I really thought a draw was coming as we had no 'we have a Unanamous/split/mixed decision being read out and when the first two cards had it one a piece it looked ominous .Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
Bernard Hopkins was a legend. Up until that fight Saturday night. In one fight he managed to undo his reputation of being one of the greatest middleweights of all time. His constant headbutting, holding and pretending he was castrated when slightly tapped below the belt was despicable behaviour and certainly not that of a boxing legend. He is clearly finished now, and if he wants to continue in the ring, may I suggest he goes and talks to Vince McMahon and works for the WWE.
It was initially announced as split decision by Buffer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Ears
Incidentally, did anyone see /hear Sylvester Stallone make a right tool of himself, screaming profanities at Calzaghe for the low blow in the 9th? What a knob!!
Ridiculous comment. name one ghreat fighter who didn't have a poor fight? And even then how can his reputation as one of the best middleweights of all time be tarnished by one fight at light heavy?Quote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
That is how Hopkin's fights - he didn't change his fighting style!!!! The Joppy fight, Keith Holmes, Eastman, both Robert Allen fights and the Winky Wright fight were all won that way. I thought he put a boxing clinic on Calzaghe in those first 6 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
Calzaghe's rabbit punches and slaps annoyed me more to be honest.
It was his dirty antics (illegal use of the head) and blatant attempts to cheat by pretending he was more hurt than he was when barely tapped below the belt that tarnished his reputation for me, not anything to do with his boxing ability. I felt he made a laugh of the sport by such behaviour, which to me is akin to diving in football, and persistent fouling. The referee didn't help matters either, and certainly contradicted his own refereeing style compared to the way he refereed Mayweather-Hatton, where he constantly scolded Hatton for dropping his head and holding, yet here he let Hopkins do what he wanted. Sorry you found my comment ridiculous Dodge, thats just how I saw it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
You mean the ref changed his style for the Mayweather-Hatton fight. he was back to normal on SaturdayQuote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
We obviously see the game differently. I would have given him the first three rounds, the ninth and tenth and thats it. He never hurt Calzaghe, even with the knockdown. Calzaghe was never in any danger in the fight, and by being the aggressor, won a pretty poor contest in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
Boxing is gone to dogs. Watch Tyson Uncut on ESPN Classic. Pure Gold..
He contradicted himself either way, and there is an onus upon him as a referee to be consistent in his style so the boxers can know what to expect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I'll check my scorecard tonight - I did a tally as the fight progressed but Hopkins for me was miles ahead until round 7. Calzaghe came on strong from then, partly because Hopkins had to drop a gear but there is no way Calzaghe won that fight. The best he should have got was a draw and a rematch.
He did get slapped in the groin area. Cup or not you feel it. Whenever I used to get caught there sparring I'd double up. He had every right to take his time and recuperate. The second incident we didn't see a replay so I cannot comment on whether he was faking or not.
Hopkins is very rarely in a great fight but I love watching him. Real old school and a brilliant fighter to study for up and coming boxers growing up. His inside work, how he holds, his movement off the ropes. Fantastic. He might not have had the flash of a Roy Jones or Mayweather but this guy could fight. The only fight he's ever lost in my eyes is the Roy Jones fight.
Roberto Duran won his first world title by punching Ken Buchanan in the balls and refusing to fight him again.Quote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
After being knocked down by Henry Cooper, Ali's cornerman Angelo Dundee ripped a hole in Ali's glove and drew the referee's attention to it to give Ali more time to recover.
Mike Tyson ....................well, we all know his list of misdemeanours.
All three are still without any shadow of a doubt boxing legends.
If people feel Hopkins' legacy is tarnished by dirty tactics so be it but in no way does the Calzaghe fight alter his legacy.
He has always been prone to going outside the rules to get an edge, as the saying goes 'it ain't a crime if you don't get caught'. Much as I disapprove of his tendency to do this I respect his ability to get away with it.
I'm glad Calzaghe won. European boxing as a whole needed a big win in Vegas, outside of the heavyweights (where there's no real stars at present) pugilists from this side of the Atlantic haven't had a good run in Sin City as of late. There's been the odd win here and there but it's been a while since a truly big name like Hopkins was taken down by a European boxer in Vegas.
Calzaghe won a close fight. He landed nearly twice as many punches. Hopkins game plan worked until Calzaghe adapted to it and changed his game.That's why he's a brilliant fighter.
The 116-111 was a bit much but Howard Lederman in the states marked it the same.People like Emmnauel Steward and Roy Jones felt he won the fight too.
I was glad to see Calzaghe win. I used to love Hopkins but that "white boy" **** ****ed me off. I realise it was just used to create controversy but can you think of the reaction if Calzaghe said something similar?