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Maybe Joe O’Cearuill might be in line to replace O'Dea in that 40 man squad?
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http://www.eleven-a-side.com/boysing...ws.asp?n=31817
Maybe Joe O’Cearuill might be in line to replace O'Dea in that 40 man squad?
fFolks... Is just to keep the Eircom League lads quite.... Roddy Collins was spot on last night on MNS .... None good enough in the League.
Gamble , Fahey are good players but need to play at a higher level .. Two vital aspects of international football are a devilish first touch and concentration . EL is a decent standard and teams are improving.. but good enough for a regular spot in the Irish set up... Not yet
We'd have to get rid of half the current squad if that was trueQuote:
Originally Posted by Shedender81
three quarters surely....:DQuote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
I guarantee you Fahey's touch is better than most of the midfielders thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Shedender81
And I'm not saying he's good enough either
I remember a lad i played football with for a few years called Ben Hutchinson. He was outstanding, he had pace, power, and a great touch. I watched the same player a few weeks ago playing for Celtic reserves and his touch was terrible and he was shown up. I think the level you are playing at will have a great impact on how good one's touch is. If Fahey was playing at a higher level perhaps he may look like Hutchinson did against Rangers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
So, once again, "blah blah blah ELOI not good enough, blah blah blah". Let the man do his job.Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
Don't get that at all. You either have a good touch or you don't. The man marking you should have no bearing on whether the balls sticks to your boot or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
Spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
Examples of his touch here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPv-OIpsI1s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2mSD...eature=related
I'm not saying that!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by GavinZac
Although I would be extremely surprised if any of them are up to it unfortunately.
great strikesQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Yeah but if you are being closed down it is a lot harder to control the game and if the game is a lot quicker your weaknesses become exposed. One just has to look at Michael Carrick. He looks a quality player in the Premiership great first tough etc. But he finds it hard to get space and create space in a much tighter midfield at World Cups and Champions League level.Quote:
Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
Fahey is very good player in the EL probably the best in my view and it would be interesting to have a look at him in the Ireland squad.
Imo Fahey is the only one in Ireland at the minute thats worth a look!
That's what I was trying to say but my grasp of the English language let me down at the vital moment :DQuote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
What I would like to ask, in the expectation of receiving sustained abuse from EL lovers on the board is, if Fahey is a very good player, which certainly seems the case from the two video clips, then why are there no English sides attempting to sign him (or are there) as this seems to be the normal course of action whenever an Irish side produce a very good player?
English did try and sign him. At one stage Aston Villa paid Arsenal £250,000 for him when he was 17Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
He's had his problems but IMO has been consistently brilliant for the past 2-3 years
This changes every few months though. Gamble is probably the only player in Ireland that always seems to be in the list of potential call ups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flawless
I think Fahey has always had the quality. But what he has added is maturity. And I think for the next few years if we're calling for poeple to be called up he'l be one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
True enough, Roddy made a good point the other night though, if Healy was fit and playing champioship football he'd be in the squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Keep them quite what?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shedender81
so your telling me he would have scored both those goals against manchester united?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
there is a gap in standards lads dont deny it. of course the person whos marking you has a bearing on your touch if im playing in a sunday league game against 11 35 year old men my touch will be way better than if i was playing against 11 internationals
Nope, I'm saying he has excellent touch. Look at his contro and turn v Bohs. The shot is incidentalQuote:
Originally Posted by MojoPin
[qoute]there is a gap in standards lads dont deny it.[/quote]
Nobody has claimed otherwise
SOme players have poor touch when in space, Fahey doesn't. John O'Shea has played international and premiership football in Midfield. Without a shadow of a doubt Fahey has better touch and control than himQuote:
of course the person whos marking you has a bearing on your touch if im playing in a sunday league game against 11 35 year old men my touch will be way better than if i was playing against 11 internationals
How did the three Tardelli was there to watch play?
Anyone else stand out?
Fats, Kirby in the 30 mins he was on the field, and eh Fats!Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Fahey won man of the match. Pretty much ran the show. Quigley tormented them all night but missed a few chances. Joe looked coola t the backQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
If Linfield are as good as some would have you believe, well then all 3 should be starting for Ireland. UNfortunately I think Linfield were/are shocking and its hard not to look impressive against them
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Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
Gents is the pace on the ball... The higher the level you play.. I played GAA to a good level and soccer to an ok level.. However I was lucky to play a few games with semi-pros and pros.. one of whom captained Ireland , and when the pass the ball its like a shot from a mere mortal...
Thats were the touch comes in ! I think....
The Pats' lads are playing professional football just like the rest of the Championship players included in the 40-man squad. We really don't know how good they be at international level if they are never given the chance, as is the case with picking players playing in the Championship. I'm not saying that the Pats' lads are international standard but it annoying this lingering perception that players playing in Ireland are not good enough just because they are based in Ireland. Their qualities need to be objectively considered as, if we are to be consistently successful at international level, we need to use all resources available to us, and that means considering what LOI players can bring to the table.
BTW Lee Carsley doesn't have a "good" first touch but he fills an important role in the Everton and Ireland teams. And none of our players are named Kaka or Ronaldo so can we give over on this touch excuse as we are looking for players that can fill a role at international level and not how many goals they can score against Manchester United.
I would agree with ifk101's logic - there's no point harping on about how good / bad LoI players are if they're ostensibly not getting the chance to prove themselves on the pitch. And it's not like there isn't a glut of friendlies during the year to do this. The history of Irish teams is that of players rising above their own limitations & backgrounds, and playing with heart for their country. Players like Kilbane, Carsley et al show this. There's no reason to think this wouldn't also be the case for the Faheys and Gambles of this world.
There are wild elephants with better touch than JOS so hardly a glowing recommendation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
And again I'm not recommending Fahey for Ireland. I'm just saying he was qualities above some established internationals
ifk101's point is perfectly put.
To be quite honest i reckon the pats lads are as good as some of the Georgian and Bulgarian squad members, maybe even some of the montenegrans, thinking that way then they are defo worth a look!
I'd agree with all this.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
That said, if Trapattoni watches them and decides against them, will people accept he made the decision based on their ability?
I will. Brian Kerr knew the league inside out and only picked Crowe once. The majority aren't good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
However when you see players who are released by Carlisle being picked ahead of some of the local lads, you must ask questions. If the management team look at the players, thats all we can ask
I was good mates with his cousin in school and college, and knew the background to his troubles at Arsenal. Not entirely his fault is all I'll say, and the man involved at the time who thought quite a lot of Fahey, is involved in the International set up now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Roy O'Donovan is in the squad. He played like 5 games for Sunderland and he gets a call up. Says it all really. Its not about the players, its about the image of the teams they play for. If you play fro man utd ladies you have a better chance of getting selected than an eircom league player
Roy has played 17 games for Sunderland an he was a different class in the LOI.Quote:
Originally Posted by finnpark
He was in his ****ing arse different class...Quote:
Originally Posted by adamcarr
20 goals in half a season :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
And how many in the half season before?
I think I know what you mean - georgian lads of the same standard get to play internationally so why not our brave lads from the EL??Quote:
Originally Posted by Flawless
problem is we only have one international team and have to play our best players. It doesn't matter if our EL guys are as good as the montenegro only if they're better than the guys playing in englad.
the only way to do it really is admit the vast majority of the league isn't good enough to play at a higher level. There are exceptions and they should be considered. The problem is(I think) that the management don't think these guys are been challenged at a high enough standard often enough. Which makes it difficult for them to cope at the higher level again.
it's not that they aren't inherently 'good' enough it's the league as a whole.
there are always exceptions but I think thats approx the status quo.
ps to Dodge - re: o'donovan.. surely he was just showing improvement - he was only a young lad..he was head and shoulders above the rest that half season
He certainly hasn't started 17 premiership games, I doubt that he has even played in 17 premiership games. 0 goals and golden oldie David Connoly also gets a call up. Brady doesn't eircom league players
NI had 3 Irish League players playing in their last win and they are ranked higher than us, while the EL is ranked higher than the IL