Not sure about 2 positions in midfield and two at the back but id go with this:
Given
Finnan Dunne McShane O'Se
Ireland Reid Reid Duff
Doyle Keane
Subs: McGeady, Hunt, Kelly, Long,
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Not sure about 2 positions in midfield and two at the back but id go with this:
Given
Finnan Dunne McShane O'Se
Ireland Reid Reid Duff
Doyle Keane
Subs: McGeady, Hunt, Kelly, Long,
Can't really disagree with that.
Given
Finnan Dunne O'Brien O'Shea
Ireland Carsley A Reid McGeady
Doyle Keane
Only slight concern about that team is that it is too narrow as Ireland and McGeady will be cutting inside. However with Ireland and Reid in there they should be more than could enough to work in tight spaces. An option I'd prefer (although I doubt we will stray from the traditional 4-4-2) would be a midfield and attack like this:
-------------Carsley
-------Ireland-------Reid
Keane---------------------McGeady
--------------Doyle
Seems to be a better shape to the above option.
Duff would be an option too obviously if he gets fit. Given Carsley's form at the moment I'd have him ahead of a fit Steven Reid.
he need a real left back for the future, i think we're okay in every other position
What about centre back and centre midfield? No class players for those positions.
bar richard dunne
Given
Finnan Dunne A O'Brien J O'Shea
A Reid S Reid Hunt
Ireland Duff
Keane
It's not an Xmas tree formation! The two reids and Hunt would get through enough work in midfield. Duff and Ireland have the freedom to play wide off Keane or drop in more central - When we don't have the ball they'd drop back and deny space down the flanks. This formation would certainly mean no long balls up front!!
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Originally Posted by kingdomkerry
I would pretty much agree with that but possible swap O'Shea and McShane. A midfield that timid would put a hell of a lot of pressure on S. Reid though. Still that would be a good attacki minded team. BTW what has happened Doyle at Birmingham. He isnt even second choice now
My top 11:
GK: Given
RB: J O'Brien
LB: Finnan
CB: Dunne
CB: O'Shea
RM: McGeady
LM: Duff
CM: S Reid
CM: Ireland
FW: Keane
FW: Doyle
I'd agree with that I think. Very light on midfield tacklers but since Carsley is unlikely to still be about at the end of the next campaign I think its a team that has potential.Quote:
Given
Finnan Dunne McShane O'Se
Ireland Reid Reid Duff
Doyle Keane
i pretty much agree with thatQuote:
Originally Posted by TheBoss
finnan is probably the best solution to the left back problem. o shea should play in the centre (mc shane isnt up to it) and stay there and play there consistantly, it would really help his game
Stephen Reid again.
Face it lads, he aint never gonna be fit.
Pointless picking players that will never play, you may aswell pick Kaka and Messi FFS.
Write him off and move on.
Ditto with Supergran.
Palyed 442 with no rewards for too long now.
maybe keeping carsley in there would be an idea. when i was playing at a decent enough level i always appreciated a def. mid in there who allowed you to make an attempt at being creative without overly worrying if you were to lose the ball. If we want to utilise our creative players (and we do have some) it may be useful to revert to this formation. Won't always work for games but certainly for home games and games we should be very confident of winning i would possibly look at:
----Given
Finnan Dunne O'Shea
Carsley
Ireland Reid Reid Duff
Keane Doyle
the DM in this formation needs to have more pace than Carsley, he has to slot in as a centre-back/sweeper when finnan or o'shea defend in the channels. If S. Reid can mark and tackle and has pace, he could do that job. I say if because its been so long I only ever remember him playing wide right for us and centre-forward for Millwall several divisions down.Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
If venables gets appointed he is bound to experiment with this formation, as England's Euro 96 team was the best England side in my lifetime.
i agree with this. this really puts the onus on Ireland and Duff to dig in and defend at times, and I think in fairness both have shown reasonable ability to do that. I thought Duff was as good defensively at home to slovakia as he was going forward. Ireland has chased back for City this year as well. carsley does his best work sitting deep and there are enogh skillful players in front of him to keep and pass the ball (as as to give him a breather when needed)Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
But with that formation we wouldn't really have any player on the right wing. Finnan would be mainly working as a centre back and therefore wouldn't be able to attack down the right and Stephen Ireland isn't a right winger and would be cutting inside all the time. It would seriously limit our game plan IMO. I can understand the idea behind it though as defensively it could potentially work, especially as we don't really have anyone who is good enough to play left back at the minute. Hopefully O'Halloran really starts to progress this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
Given
Finnan-O'Shea-Dunne-Kilbane
Duff-Andy Reid-Carsley-Hunt
Doyle-Keane
on the bench:
McShane
Harte
Steven Reid
Long
McGeady
that's not a bad team lads......let's hope we don't lose a bunch of our best players to injury this campaign.
I think the XI will be
Given; Harte, Dunne, O'Brien, Finnan; Kilbane, S Reid, Carsley, Duff; Doyle, Keane
McGeady and McShane haven't done anything to justify their inclusion. Ditto Shane Long, Daryl Murphy, Stokes etc.
Only Doyle, Hunt and Ireland have been the business for Ireland in terms of new blood in the team since Mick left the position
The Staunton era was a disaster, for the 400 thousand caps he awarded, only 3 or 4 players have been unearthed, and it looks like the team for 2010 Qualifying campaign is going to be largely Mick's heroes.
If only we didn't hound him out.
Keane hasn't done anything of note since WC2002 yet he's the one player on everyone's list. During the next year I'd like to try other options alongside Doyle.
I wouldn't criticise him for trying to bring through new players, Kerr was routinely criticised here for not bringing through any new players, and pretty much finished with the same team he started with. In the early days of McCarthy's reign, he had to award caps to see who would be decent players in the future, everyone remembers Butler only getting 1 cap, but there's plenty more on 2 and 3 (mainly from US Cups) that never get a mention.Quote:
Originally Posted by danonion
I wouldn't really subscribe to the view that its paramount to have our left and right midfielders getting to the byline and swinging the ball in. In that midfield there is so much reative talent, and goals. All four of them can score, Ireland and s.reid will probably get 10 a piece for their clubs this season (if reid gets fit and gets a run). Keane certainly doesn't benefit from crosses and is much better with the ball into feet or to run onto, balls which that midfield should certainly be able to provide.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmurphyc
one of the reasons i went for this is it allows carsley to fit in, i certainly think he's needed, without sacrificing either keane or doyle.
I think this group will prove a hell of a lot in terms of the quality and mentallity of our guys.
This is a tough and daunting group , The Stan excuse is gone so now they must step up to the task.
My away team would look like
Given
Finnan Nose Dunne (cpt) Kilbane
Duff S Reid Carsley Mc Geady
Ireland
Doyle or Keane (based on form etc)
My ideal team would be
Given
Finnan
Dunne
O'Brien
Kilbane
Duff (RW)
Reid
Reid
McGeady (LW)
Ireland
Doyle
Why are most people coming out with the same players and formations that have served us so poorly over the last 2 years?
Oh so he's going to be fit...................Quote:
Originally Posted by stojkovic
Finnan, Dunne, O'Dea, O'SheaGiven
McGeady, Ireland, S Reid, DuffCarsley
I suppose maybe Keane instead of Doyle but not on recent Irish form. If Duff still can't breath put in Andy Reid or HuntDoyle
Defensively solid, and enough goin forward to get goals
strong bench left aswell
A lot of people seem to be of the assumption that it is a given that Stephen Ireland will return. I dont think that is the case, infact a little bit of me thinks we will not see him in a green shirt again
In a Bernd Schuster/ Germany kinda way?Quote:
Originally Posted by carloz
Quote:
Originally Posted by EAFC_rdfl
I really like the look of that team now. With the exception of O'Dea. Being 4th choice central defender for Scotland wimply wont cut it. Gotta be Andy O'Brien in there or maybe Joey (although him playing there against Germany was prob a once off)
exactly. He retired at 24 didnt he, and fell out with everyone in Germany during those yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
Maybe Im a bit biased with O'Dea, its only a matter of time though, only reason hes not in Celtic team is cause him and McManus are both left footed and Strachan doesn't like that ideaQuote:
Originally Posted by carloz
Also regarding Stephen Ireland, its wishful thinkin that makes me include him, think he's back on track after a couple of rough months
Given
Finnan
Dunne
O'Shea
O'Brien
Duff
Reid
Reid
McGeady
Keane
Doyle
Subs like Ireland, Long and Hunt we are doing ok
I was being dramatic, you know, like Marisa Tomei in My Cousin Vinny.Quote:
Originally Posted by lionelhutz
Would you like me to check your previous posts for grammatical and spelling errors, there's plenty of them, you pedantic fcuk. That's French Connection UK spelt incorrectly btw lionel.
hugs xxx
Dragan.
A few options:
4-4-2
Given
Finnan-Dunne-Andy O'Brien-O'Shea
Ireland-Reid-Reid-Duff
Keane-Doyle
4-2-3-1
Given
Finnan-Dunne-A O'Brien-O'Shea
S Reid-Carsley
Ireland-A Reid-Duff
Keane
3-5-2 (3-2-3-2)
Given
J O'Brien-Dunne-A O'Brien
S Reid-Carsley
Finnan-Ireland-Duff
Keane-Doyle
Interesting how McShane has disappeared off the radar.
Not so long ago all the experts (& youngirish) were seeing him as our saviour.
I think anyone would be reluctant to put him in their side after his nightmare of all nightmares against Everton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
He had a brutal brutal game, but he's still young.
To write him off now would be ignorant, he's very young and will only get better.
McShane has no pace and is being exposed week in and week out in the English Premier League. He also conceded a penatly which cost us two points away to Wales. His judgement would need to be superior to the average player to compensate for his lack of pace and he isn't in the zone yet on that score. As a result I think people have made up their mind about him. One thing I have noticed about people's teams is that Duff and Stephen Reid feature prominently neither of whom kicked a ball in anger much under Staunton's reign and the absence of these two was a huge factor in the midfield problems which plagued the last Qualification campaign.