Guys I know this is only semi-related to the Irish team but why did Jack never work again in management ???
Did no one ever come looking for him after 1995 .......
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Guys I know this is only semi-related to the Irish team but why did Jack never work again in management ???
Did no one ever come looking for him after 1995 .......
From wikipedia:
"After failing to qualify for Euro 96, Charlton quit. His involvement in the game since has been restricted (by his own choice) to punditry and speaking."
Before Jack finished with us at all there was an element within the Leeds United support who wanted Wilkinson gone that were pimping Jack as a natural replacement. As it happened Wilko was still at Leeds for a little under a year after Jacks Ireland career ended.Quote:
Originally Posted by bwagner
The manner of Jacks "fall" shall we call it did not put him in a great light amongst those who might've had an eye on him as a potential club manager only a couple of years earlier. Qualification for England 96 from a quite winable group was p1ssed away and it was evident and a matter of public record that there was quite serious derrogation of duty on Jacks part during that campaign.
There would have been a common enough view after he left that he was a "beaten docket" so to speak and, to be fair, I can't recall him pimping himself for any managment gigs either.
He must have been getting on a bit too. How old is he now?
I heard him do a bit of co - commentating years ago on Radio 5, on one game he must have corrected the commentator about 10 times, each time starting with the equivalent of 'you're talking rubbish'.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
didnt he call connolly a "little prat" that time he got sent off against belgium. he was co commentating for channel 5 I think.
He'd be 72 now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torn-Ado
Has he died?? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
Alive and kicking and long may he continue. They played some of an interview done yesterday with him in Cork by RTE Radio 1 and he still doesn't suffer journalists well. Put one of them right back in their box on exactly who had raised the subject of Venables ("No -YOU mentioned Terry Venables -trying to put words in me mouth").
Went on to say he reckons Venables would be fine (described 64 year old Venables as "a good lad" :D ) but that he doesn't think the player stock is as good as it was when he was in charge.
Went on to blame foreigners in the premiership for all that and Englands woes too...
sounds like a good interview! any links? hardly is
Famous line during the Yougoslavia game (I think) when Mark Kennedy was pursuing a guy with the ball, Jack blurted "foul him!"Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
The stories of the week in Limerick prior to the Austria home game are legendary. We should have stuffed a poor Austrian side and that would have been enough to qualify directly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
that austria game really sticks out in my mind, who was that feall that scored for htem twice, opportunist goals, they did very little but we still conceded 3 against them home and away, dont know why but those games really stick out in my mind. Its a real shame he didnt get us to Euro 96, but we were well beaten against holland and other teams in teh group itself, change was required.
At the end of the day, those who chastise jack and give out about him, he got us to 3 major championships, no one bettered, and prolly never will. He did a brilliant job and if we got half of hte success we had under him now i would bite yer hand off. Anyone who differs is a fool and an ignorant narrow-minded one at that. simple as that. Denying Brady the chance to play in the biggest games of his career was probably was probably the only real big mistake he ever made. Something that should never have happened but...
Toni Polster it was. The little sh1t! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I aagree with you apart from the Brady bit? Brady was suspended for the first 2 games of Euro 88 due to his red card against Bulgaria in the qualifiers. No clean slate for the finals in those days. As it happens he was injured for the finals in any case but joined the squad as a non playing member. He'd have been in the squad for the Holland game had he been fit.
You're not suggesting he should have been in the Italia '90 squad surely?
I thought it was one game ban sorry. I also thought brady was fit for the holland game?!Quote:
I aagree with you apart from the Brady bit? Brady was suspended for the first 2 games of Euro 88 due to his red card against Bulgaria in the qualifiers. No clean slate for the finals in those days. As it happens he was injured for the finals in any case but joined the squad as a non playing member. He'd have been in the squad for the Holland game had he been fit.
Nah, definite 2 game ban, UEFA screwed him. Am certain he was injured though, a recuurance of the knee injury he got playing for West Ham in 87 if I recall correctly. Same injury finally finished his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
The Chalrton / Brady controversy was when he subbed him in 89 in a friendly after 35 minutes as he thought his legs had gone. Brady reckoned he should have waited till half time. He was knackered by then though, his knees had gone. He only played once more, a warm up game against Finland for the 90 WC that also served as his testimonial but that was the only reason he was in the squad. Townsend replaced him after 25 minutes. They awarded caps for it though as far as I know.
He actually got a 4 match ban which was reduced to two on appeal.
As you say, it didnt matter as he got injured.
Still wonder how we would have done with Brady, Lawrenson and Beglin all fit in 88.
Why did Jack need to work when he made so much money out of the Ireland job? Think if he went back to management it would have been for another international team rather than a club. I think international management suited him better.
Yeah, remember it well, there was uproar when the 4 match ban was announced, even 2 was harsh. The injury was an awful shame though, would've loved to have seen him get at least one game at a major championships.Quote:
Originally Posted by stojkovic
I honestly think had we held on against Holland we could have won that tournament even without the 3 players you mention. Holland would have been out, themselves and Russia contested the final and we battered Russia in our gamne against them despite the 1-1 scoreline. McGraths header against Holland and Aldo not getting the rebound, think that moment us burnt onto my brain along with that poxy offside goal they got!
Not strictly true. Jack was at one point on an IR£50,000 "retainer" from the FAI ...So his actual salary was modest enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by viagogo
This, it is estimated, he topped up to the tune of half a million PA in endorsement gigs and appearances garnered from his being the 'Big Jack' persona.
I'd say a qualified fair play to him but for the fact that he (mis)managed to go off on so many of these earners when he was supposed to be prepping a squad for qualifiers. Limerick, which largely can't even be discussed here because I can't afford a solicitor, is a case in point. (Anyone from the south Monaghan/north Louth area will have more than a decent idea what I'm talking about as well.) Suffice to say what's already long in the public domain -that Jack was leaving the squad headquarters and putting his son John in charge.
Every tournament we qualified for, one or more of our best players were unavailable, mostly due to injuries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
I am not sure we could have won Euro 88. The one I think we could have won or done well in was Euro 92. The team was at its peak but failed to qualify by a whisker. Oh, that Houghton miss at Wembley in the last few minutes.
Isnt Jack not working in Harry Ramsdens now, presiding over the famous 'Harrys Challenge'
Yep, have always thought that myself. Not to mention O'Leary's faffing about with the ball instead of booting it to the stands last 10 minutes away to Poland. We'd have been in the semis in Euro 88, win that and we'd have played Russia in the final, anything could have happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Yes Euro92 was our 'golden generation'.
Always felt that had we qualified, we could have won it.
Remember throwing something at the television when that big eared c*nt Lineker scored. I was living in London and had to watch their game.
A few months later I was sitting in Graham Taylor's office at Lancaster Gate and I wanted to defecate it, Bobby Sands style. Would have lost my job though.
Great point. Charlton took us on an upward curve through 88 and 90 and it reached its peak with the 4-5-1 formation towards the end of the 92 qualifying campaign. We battered England, Poland and Turkey away and were just really unlucky to only win one of those three games.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
We started going downhill midway through the next campaign and just scraped into the 94 WC. By the the time of the infamous 96 qualifiers the wheels were off the wagon (as alluded to in many previous posts).
My memories of his last game are us chasing Dutch shadows with 4 full backs on the pitch and at the final whistle a bemused Charlton saluting the Irish kop waving a Dutch flag.
Think it was Stoger and not Polster who scored the hattrick against us in Vienna
In fairness we started the Euro 96 qualifiers very well, 4-0 against the North and we'd also beaten Portugal at home. It was the home draw against teh North that the wheels really started coming off.Quote:
Originally Posted by fergalr
And it was an Irish flag, it was just rolled up and the orange section was the only bit showing! :D
True, Polster got 2 at Lansdowne. Think he got 11 that campaign and still wasn't top scorer as Suker got the record that Healy just broke with 12.Quote:
Originally Posted by as_i_say
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Originally Posted by OwlsFan
yeah Euro 92 was a real low alright....i remember watching us throw away that 2 goal lead in Poland...its gas that it was unthinkable for an Irish team to do that at the time but its second nature to us now!! :D :cool: :mad:
Charlton's infamous quote after the game "..a draw is better than a win.."Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba
He was alluding to the fact that Poland had something to play for against England the following month.
Remember back in those days you only played SIX matches not twelve. SO one slip up and you were fcuked. And only one qualified.
We slipped up against the Poles at home (0-0).
Jackie Charlton, Eoin Hand, Johnny Giles Ireland, Mick McCarthy Steve Stuanton, Cascarioino!
I love that song
Who's the odd one out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deckydee
Be afraid, be very afraid.
does houghton not come at the end there?! i never knew stephen ireland played then....or was that just the random word thrown in to make it sound good ;)
Chronology is wrong. We drew with NI in March and were possibly lucky to hold on because we didn't press on after the first goal. I still believe a better, leaner, non-hippo-trying-to-fly-resembling goalkeeper than Kelly would've kept Dowies header out too. But that was incidental anyway as the whole team was sitting back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
We then beat Portugal 1-0 in April, the last really good performance of the Charlton era. The wheels came off in late May, early June when we went to Liechtenstein and Limerick.
Sorry, you're right, was heading to Oz around then, Portugal was my last game of that campaign, never saw Lichtenstein, still haven't seen it to this day, want to keep it that way! Same with the Austria home game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
Wasnt this George Hamiltons fault. Think I remember him saying when Ireland were 3-1 up that there is no way Ireland would leave in two goals followed by "Oh Danger here"Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba
No Dave O'Leary giving the ball away twice once when we were 3-1 ahead the next time when we were 3-2 ahead, both of which led to Polish goals and a 3-3 away to them was where the REAL damage was done!Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Bit harsh on Kelly - quality keeper, and that was the first international goal he'd conceded in something like his fifth game for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
Bit harsh also - we did knock out the reigning European champions, were robbed in Spain and got 12 points from six games against the minnows, which is a lot more impressive than it sounds, especially when you consider we had to travel to three countries very recently out of communism and very difficult places to visit.Quote:
Originally Posted by fergalr
We're going to start a fire, right. I would love to get my hands on that song. Can't download or buy it anywhere. Any tips??Quote:
Originally Posted by Deckydee
this has been used before by the fai to appoint managers.Quote:
Jackie Charlton, Eoin Hand
Johnny Giles, Ireland
Mick McCarthy, Stephen Staunton
Cascarino
Tony Galvin, Niall Quinn
Packie doesn't let em in
North of Ireland
South of Ireland
Only one can go
"i cant think of anyone lets have a look at the auld song?"
"mcCarthy is next in line"
"here john will we use the the old song again now that we've sacked kerr, i mean it got us mick and he did alright"
"but stan is next on the song, he's laying cones at walsall and i've promised a world class management team"
"use the song john"
"hello can get the number for walsall football club? no not warsaw, walsall with an 'l'?"