Full time vs part time

This season ended expectedly with the clubs with money in the top 3, rovers over performing and cork/derry under performing. Galway non existent

Next season will the gulf exist? Will the full time teams be the top 5 ? Will rovers and all their part time signings implode into chaos or explode into brilliance.

Bascially will the teams with money rule the league and the others be left behind creating 2 leagues in one the haves and the have nots.

The EL is entering a stage that everyone wanted it to, you have 2 clubs with millionarie owners and clubs with land sale ensuring they can compete with the rich clubs. And you have part time clubs also hoping to compete with clubs who can have any of their players (should they choose to go fulltime).


Afaik there has never been 2 leagues in the EL prem the last 20 league winners show that, now next season we all hope for a league without * but can the part time clubs compete with the full time clubs?



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The wage cap will level things a bit but the clubs with money have always done better than those without.

i think the gap is getting bigger between the part timers and the full timers. the fulltime teams have the money,and will continue to spend it, while some part time clubs will strive to just make ends meet. i agree that the fulltime setups being installed are fantastic, but clubs will be left behind without investment, as going full time, and without financial investment.

I would imagine that there will be a big enough gap between the full-timers plus Rovers, and the rest of the table next year.

I dont necessarily think the teams with money will dominate, we ourselves have proved that teams on a limited budget can challenege. I think ourselves and Cork will be in it next season along with the Top 3 this season.

As for PT/FT, there is a gap. Rovers will probably dominate the part-time teams, I expect Harps to finish mid-table. The full-time clubs will shine through in the end like the season past.

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Originally Posted by City till I Die

The full-time clubs will shine through in the end like the season past.

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Do you think Galway United managed to shine through last season?

No Galway United's League position called into question the full-time decision. However some could argue given you didn't go down it was justified to a small degree, but probably not to the extent the protagonists for the idea within the board would have hoped!

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Originally Posted by Paddyfield

Do you think Galway United managed to shine through last season?

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No because your squad wasnt good enough. Look at when Rovers were challenging for the league, they eventually fell away and lo and behold, 3 full-time clubs finished ahead of them. We wernt good enough either, thats why we didnt shine through, along with the turmoil of a season

But what's happening at City next season? As far as I can tell your chairman has resigned and your manager doesn't know if he's being kept on or not. There looks to be no-one to fund player signings at the moment and quite a few of your better players look to be leaving.

I'd be targeting Derry along with Sligo and Rovers as teams United can climb above next season.

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Originally Posted by JC_GUFC

But what's happening at City next season? As far as I can tell your chairman has resigned and your manager doesn't know if he's being kept on or not. There looks to be no-one to fund player signings at the moment and quite a few of your better players look to be leaving.

I'd be targeting Derry along with Sligo and Rovers as teams United can climb above next season.

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Our board of directors are in place until 6th December where they will stand down at the AGM. Until then they can still make decisions which affect the club. Robertson has been given 2 weeks off to clear his head and decide what he is going to do(which incidentally he returns on the day of the AGM).

The new board will be elected at the AGM AFAIK. At the minute things are as normal until after the AGM. So target all you like, we will be in better shape next season, regardless of who our manager is.

We'll do ok next year i know it. we'll stay up. The difference in full and part time is massive IMO

I think the difference between full time and part time is getting bigger bit by bit every year. Also with the full time clubs being the ones with the most money they are able to attract part time players of other clubs to give up their jobs. Training full time has huge benefits as well come the end of the season, for example Rovers seemed to collapse in the final stretch.

Rovers might be the exception as they are the biggest part-time club and therefore able to attract the best players who do not want to go full-time. In fact there is an argument that for this very reason it suits Rovers to remain Part time as even if they could manage a full time squad, it would be unlikely they could compete in the player market with Drogs, Bohs, Pats and Cork.

If the full-time clubs can't finish above the part-time ones they'd want to get shot of their manager.

Its simply a reflection of Paul Doolins poor management ability that Drogs haven't won the League before now given their huge expenditure. By the same token, Derry's finish this season was a disgrace given our wage bill and full-time status.

Unless things change, Pats, Bohs and Drogs should be miles ahead next season.

I wouldn't be surprised if we went back to part-time soon.

Pats, Bohs & Drogs should be making up the top places of the league, given their expenditure. I think where full time becomes questionable when you look at the likes of Galway and Sligo. I'm really not sure there's the players at the wage levels they're paying. There's better players not willing to go full time. This may change in the future, but all clubs that have gone full time have lost players not willing to go full time and replaced them with players not as good.

Since our implosion, and with so many teams going full time, Rovers have some pick of players with little competition. I would agree with Bohs Partisan in that Rovers are in a great position as things stand. Sustainable club, not much competition driving up wages, large pick of part time players. It's a a load of arse that we're not in a position to do likewise - realism a few years earlier and we could've been...

Shamrock Rovers next season will have the best part time players in the league (large catchment area) so will have no disadvantage over fulltime clubs. I think when clubs/players move to fulltime it takes a while for them to adjust - maybe Galway will improve next season.

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Originally Posted by pete

Shamrock Rovers next season will have the best part time players in the league (large catchment area) so will have no disadvantage over fulltime clubs. I think when clubs/players move to fulltime it takes a while for them to adjust - maybe Galway will improve next season.

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But Rovers still have limit on their budget. Signing the best 16 part time players wouldn't cost much less than signing 16 full timers. Their signings so far have been mixed IMO. Maguire is a class act and better than most full time centre halves but Sean O'Connor was never anything more than a bit part player for us, even when we were rubbish. In no way could he be described as being one of the best part time players.

Bray have signed Kevin Doherty and Dara Pender, both of whom I'd rate highly enough.

It was always going to take at least a year for our squad to improve given the large number of signings and the majority coming from a Part Time background but on saying that we only got beaten by more than one goal three times all season.

I expect us to move up this season to be in the top 6 if not higher.

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Originally Posted by gufct

It was always going to take at least a year for our squad to improve given the large number of signings and the majority coming from a Part Time background

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same could be said of Pats

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Originally Posted by Dodge

same could be said of Pats

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Yes but we were coming up with a squad of first division footballers. They may have been full-time last season but many of them were not premier division standard. Most of those have now been let go so hopefully we can replace them with genuinely premier division quality players and improve.

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Originally Posted by Maroon 7

Yes but we were coming up with a squad of first division footballers. They may have been full-time last season but many of them were not premier division standard. Most of those have now been let go so hopefully we can replace them with genuinely premier division quality players and improve.

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Same could be said of Pats :)

dont think so Dodge .:)

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Its simply a reflection of Paul Doolins poor management ability.

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FFS! This crap amazes me all the time on this forum. For a manager to bring a team from the brink of relegation (again) to be the top club in the country in the space of 4 years is a great achiievement, with or without money.

Money will always help, but it's the manager who has to recruit the right players and that's what Doolo has done over the years.

We'll be up there again next year, I've no doubt. This is the start of something big for us.

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Originally Posted by gufct

dont think so Dodge .:)

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Seriously, a lot of our players in 2006 weren't premier standard

in all fairness Drogman, with the expense and size of squad, if hadn't won it last year he should've resigned in shame! Fair play on winning it and all that, but get bloody real.

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Originally Posted by Drogman.

For a manager to bring a team from the brink of relegation (again) to be the top club in the country in the space of 4 years is a great achiievement, with or without money.

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its better achievement without money though

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Originally Posted by Dodge

its better achievement without money though

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Yeah but who's ever achieved anything without money? And I mean winning the league not any of the cups.

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Originally Posted by Macy

in all fairness Drogman, with the expense and size of squad, if hadn't won it last year he should've resigned in shame! Fair play on winning it and all that, but get bloody real.

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Up until this year, Shels and Bohs had a bigger wage bill, budget etc... than us, so it's a bit harsh to say that we "should" have won the league prior to this year.

I still think that even with another manager we wouldn't have been guaranteed the league. I mean if Harry McCue had that money god knows who he would have spent it on!!

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Originally Posted by Drogman.

Yeah but who's ever achieved anything without money? And I mean winning the league not any of the cups.

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Brian Kerr won a league with a team made up of untried kids and journey pros who had been discarded. it was 17 years ago but still...

And robbie, I haven't there's anything with celebrating the win. I was just being glib about the "its the same achievement" with/without buying it.

No less enjoyable of course

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Originally Posted by Drogman.

Up until this year, Shels and Bohs had a bigger wage bill, budget etc... than us, so it's a bit harsh to say that we "should" have won the league prior to this year.

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Are you having a laugh? Our wage budget was nowhere near yours in the past 2 years. If you think this is the case then you're deluded. Shels though did have a bigger budget.

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Originally Posted by Drogman.

FFS! This crap amazes me all the time on this forum. For a manager to bring a team from the brink of relegation (again) to be the top club in the country in the space of 4 years is a great achiievement, with or without money.

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To be fair, the only thing that saved the Drogs from relegation that season was Doolo's management.

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Originally Posted by Drogman.

Up until this year, Shels and Bohs had a bigger wage bill, budget etc... than us, so it's a bit harsh to say that we "should" have won the league prior to this year.

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Shels are no model to follow. I find it hard to believe Bohs had smaller budget. Doolin probably won the league on the biggest ever budget deficit. If he was a politician he would be George Bush.

The LOI will not be able to sustain 10 let alone 12 full time teams. 5-6 full time & the remainder using 50:50 day job/football system ala Scandanavia.

I wonder what club has a had a full time squad for the longest time uninterrupted? Bohs?

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Originally Posted by Drogman.

Up until this year, Shels and Bohs had a bigger wage bill, budget etc... than us, so it's a bit harsh to say that we "should" have won the league prior to this year.

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I didn't mention previous years. This year he had by far the biggest budget, with no other real competition in that regard with the Shels mess. If he hadn't won it, he should've gone, as he's had several seasons of being one of the top spenders and this year you were way in front in that regard - there could've been no excuses.

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Originally Posted by Drogman.

Up until this year, Shels and Bohs had a bigger wage bill, budget etc... than us,

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Its generally accepted that Drogs have had the biggest budget in the League over the last 3 seasons based on who they signed and the size of their squad.

That may not be true, but unless you've evidence to the contrary, thats what people will believe.

I doubt very much that Bohs had a bigger wage Bill than Drogheda in the last three seasons.Bohs were on their knees until the offer for Dalymount was made.