Fallen Flags of the LOI

Looking though old programmes and books, the league in the past had the most baffling array of clubs with the stangest names. Some only lasted a season, while others were in the league for years. Can anyone shed light on the following fallen flags of the LOI - any historical tidbits or if any of these clus are still here today in junior or other form:

Fordsons
Jacobs
Transport
Shelbourne United
Dublin United
Dublin Reds
Cork Alberts
Midland Athletic
Bray Unknowns
Olympia (this one really intrigues me)
Drumcondra
Cork Bohemians
Evergreen United
Dolphin

Midland Athletic, who of course, weren't from the Midlands!

There was a Midland Athletic playing in the Dublin AUL until recently AFAIK

Fordsons are part of the endless saga of Cork clubs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordsons_F.C. When Ford dumped the association they became Cork FC and later Cork United with that lineage eventually dying out in 1948.

Cork Alberts played a couple of seasons in the late 70's and eventually turned into a second reincarnation of Cork United finally dying in 1982.

Drumcondra still exist, if only to provide Bertie with an excuse never to go to LoI games ....

Actually, they really do still exist and their history is here

I've never heard of that team!

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Originally Posted by Boh_So_Good

Bray Unknowns

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BTW anyone here involved with this ?

it's an all time LoI league table - the top is a bit galling....

not very good, teams dont change names, they go bust, and a new club is formed, limerick 37 are a year old and are 9th in the table, they have never played top flight football, it should be done properly but it would take days to gather the required info, good idea though,

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Originally Posted by don ramo

not very good, teams dont change names, they go bust, and a new club is formed, limerick 37 are a year old and are 9th in the table, they have never played top flight football, it should be done properly but it would take days to gather the required info, good idea though,

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Exactly - and the Shamrock Rovers that exists now has no connection with the club that won things, right? which means we're the bestest....

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Originally Posted by sonofstan

BTW anyone here involved with this ?

it's an all time LoI league table - the top is a bit galling....

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Truth hurts, huh?

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Exactly - and the Shamrock Rovers that exists now has no connection with the club that won things, right? which means we're the bestest....

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And the inept clowns who now run Bohs have WHAT connection to the people who ran the club properly in the past???

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Originally Posted by don ramo

not very good, teams dont change names, they go bust, and a new club is formed, limerick 37 are a year old and are 9th in the table, they have never played top flight football, it should be done properly but it would take days to gather the required info, good idea though,

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Exactly - and the Shamrock Rovers that exists now has no connection with the club that won things, right? which means we're the bestest....

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Something on Wikipedia in being inaccurate rubbish shocker :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by khoop

And the inept clowns who now run Bohs have WHAT connection to the people who ran the club properly in the past???

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Same company, same articles of association, same ground, 87 years unbroken membership of the league...... and I'm sure there were other inept clowns in previous generations too, but our structure has at least saved us from losing our ground (until we surrendered it voluntarily), going bankrupt, relegation* .......






*actually I don't think our structure had anything to do wit hsaving us from relegation, i just threw that in...

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Originally Posted by sonofstan

Same company, same articles of association, same ground.....

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Same ground???

It used to be an excellent stadium. Now it's a derelict car park. Well done.

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Originally Posted by khoop

Same ground???

It used to be an excellent stadium. Now it's a derelict car park. Well done.

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More than you can say :cool:

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Originally Posted by niallsparky

More than you can say

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Kilcoyne wasn't a Rovers man or a Rovers fan - he was a selfish, scheming, thieving crook. What's your excuse???

Hmmm... maybe it's the same.

Time will tell.

1976/77 final league table.

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Originally Posted by khoop

Kilcoyne wasn't a Rovers man or a Rovers fan - he was a selfish, scheming, thieving crook. What's your excuse???

Hmmm... maybe it's the same.

Time will tell.

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I was in one of those houses in Glenmalure Square. Very nice they are too.

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Originally Posted by khoop

Same ground???

It used to be an excellent stadium. Now it's a derelict car park. Well done.

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Wow .... being slagged about your ground by a Rovers fan is a bit like being awarded a penalty against a one-legged keeper in a goal that stretches from one corner flag to another......

sonofstan

People would still have the capacity to miss that penalty kick :D

Transport merged with another club some years ago to become Transport Ceannt. That club played UCD back in the 1990's in the Leinster Senior Cup. Transport used Harold's Cross Greyhound Stadium and the Carlisle Grounds as it's home venues when it was in the League of Ireland. They won the FAI Cup back in 1950 I think and Johnny Giles' uncle was their manager.
Bray Unknowns went bust in 1943 as far as I know and Bray Wanderers were formed in their place.

CTID,
Did Bray Unknowns play at the Carlisle?

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Originally Posted by sonofstan

CTID,
Did Bray Unknowns play at the Carlisle?

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Their wikipedia entry says they did.

Why were they called unknowns? Were they similar to Queens Park Strangers? I'll get my coat...

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Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

Transport merged with another club some years ago to become Transport Ceannt. That club played UCD back in the 1990's in the Leinster Senior Cup. Transport used Harold's Cross Greyhound Stadium and the Carlisle Grounds as it's home venues when it was in the League of Ireland. They won the FAI Cup back in 1950 I think and Johnny Giles' uncle was their manager.
Bray Unknowns went bust in 1943 as far as I know and Bray Wanderers were formed in their place.

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Great stuff, thanks.

Keep it coming folks, it's really interesting off-season stuff to talk about.

Anyone know anything about Grangegorman FC? apart from being on the receiving end of Bohs highest ever goal tally (11-0 in '47) and being the beaten finalists in Sligo's first junior cup, I can't find anything. Did they play in the Hospital grounds? when did they go out of existence? any snippets appreciated. (they would have been even more local for me than Bohs!)

as far as i know bray unknowns were more or less the same as bray wanderers
just changed there name a little lol
yes they played in the carlsile

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Originally Posted by dcfc_1928

I've never heard of that team!

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That's cuz they're Unknown...!

I'll get mo chota.....! :D

There were several teams based in the old mental Hospital St. Brendan's which is now I believe a Campus for DIT. I am not sure about the Grangegorman club but I do know they played in the grounds of the old hospital, which had two or three soccer pitches if memory serves.

In the 1980's and 1990's there was a team called St. Brendan's based in the hospital , which was a staff team for the workers of the hospital and a handful of outsiders.
They regularly played in the Leinster Senior Cup during those decades.

Rathmines Athletic joined the League of Ireland in 1922 and only played in the league for the 1922/23 season. They were invited in to replace UCD who had to decline their invitation to join in 1922, because the students were not due to return to College until October at the time and the Student club would have been unable to field a team during the Shield competition which preceded the League, during late August September and early October. When you consider that a civil war was raging in the country at the time, it is to the credit of the football people in this country that a season was able to take place at all during the 1921-23 period.

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Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

There were several teams based in the old mental Hospital St. Brendan's which is now I believe a Campus for DIT.

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Not yet it isn't - been on the cards for over a decade but still not a sod turned; would have loved if we'd moved there; afaik a decent stadium is part of the scheme anyway.

Thanks for the info....

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Originally Posted by sonofstan

Not yet it isn't - been on the cards for over a decade but still not a sod turned; would have loved if we'd moved there; afaik a decent stadium is part of the scheme anyway.

Thanks for the info....

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Jaysus that would certainly be a great spot for a medium sized stadium. As would Broadstone come to think of it.

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Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

In the 1980's and 1990's there was a team called St. Brendan's based in the hospital , which was a staff team for the workers of the hospital and a handful of outsiders.
They regularly played in the Leinster Senior Cup during those decades.

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CTID, it's Brendanville, not St Brendans, Run by stalwart Christy Kennedy who is an employee at the hospital.

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Originally Posted by don ramo

not very good, teams dont change names, they go bust, and a new club is formed, limerick 37 are a year old and are 9th in the table, they have never played top flight football, it should be done properly but it would take days to gather the required info, good idea though,

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I thought it was only counting years spent in top division, hence l37 isnt even on the list, Cobh Ramblers counted at 3 seasons :confused:

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Originally Posted by don ramo

not very good, teams dont change names, they go bust, and a new club is formed,

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Teams do change names Dn Ramo !

Irish football is littered with examples of clubs who've changed name without going bust.

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Originally Posted by KevB76

I thought it was only counting years spent in top division, hence l37 isnt even on the list, Cobh Ramblers counted at 3 seasons :confused:

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Yep, thats the idea. Still wrong to decided on a 3 point for a win system (when it wasn't like that) and then included points deduction 9when it obviously was).

Either have a broad "here's how many point teams could've won if it had been 3 point for a win" or have the exact info

Don;t think it's been mentioned yet but as most people know Shels quit the league for 2 years in the 30s over a dispute with the FAI (one year ban, other year in spent in the AUL). A team called Reds United was formed which played in the LSL the 1st year and in the LOI the 2nd year. The resigned from the league the year after to allow Shels to retake their place. They played in Glenmalure for the two years I believe and were made up mostly of Shels players and those involved in the club.

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Originally Posted by LeixlipRed

Shels quit the league for 2 years in the 30s over a dispute with the FAI

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Never realised Ollie's involvement went back that far...

There's a fascinating piece of Pathé news footage from the 1942 FAI cup final between Dundalk and Cork United [Labelled as Cork Athletic, about mid-way down the page]:

http://dundalkfc.com/goalfootage.html