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As an Evertonian i still live under the illusion we are a big club!
But these are the "similar sized" clubs
so....in order.........who are the biggest, work down.......
Everton
Man City
Newcastle
Villa
Spurs
Leeds
Chelsea
Sunderland
I do not have them in order yet.........have to think about it!
How would others rank them?
Cheers
In my opinion...Quote:
Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
Chelsea
Newcastle
Spurs
Everton
Villa
Man City
Sunderland
Leeds
1. Tottenham Hotspur
2. Leeds United
3. Aston Villa
4. Everton
5. Chelsea
6. Manchester City
7. Sunderland
8. Newcastle United
Thats what I think.
Ah sure, tis a bit of funQuote:
Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
Chelsea
Newcastle
Villa
Everton
Man City
Sunderland
Spurs
Leeds
on what basis are leeds, newcastle, villa or spurs bigger clubs than everton?!?!?!
If you put together all the trophies that they have won, they still wouldn't have many as everton.
Everton are the 4th biggest club in england, i'd maybe accept chelsea pushing everton down to 5th but that is solely down to money, but after that, the rest are nowhere near as big as everton
LOL :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by KildareFan
You forgot to put in the extra 4 there, we'll blame it on a typo. :D
everton arent the 4th biggest club in liverpool :)Quote:
Originally Posted by KildareFan
what makes clubs big? fan base,gates,trophies,history,stadium anything else?
Leeds
Villa
Spurs
Chelsea
Newcastle
City
Everton
Sunderland
Trophies and History are the main criteria.Quote:
Originally Posted by see's it
Tottenham
Chelsea
Everton
Aston Villa
Leeds
Manchester City
Newcastle
Sunderland
Chelsea
Leeds
Spurs
Villa
Man City
Everton
Newcastle
Sunderland
Villa are a bigger club than everton because of the two european cups they have won
On the basis of history Nottingham Forest are bigger than any of them ( 2 European Cup wins) and Villa only won the European Cup once. Everton are bigger than Leeds, Newcastle ,Sunderland, Man City and Spurs, because they've not been relegated since they last got into the top flight!
if you think that villa have won 2 european cups, fair enough but if you check, you'll they have won just 1. And i think everton's 9 league titles more than beats whatever else villa have done, 2 league titles last centuryQuote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Ooh, Dorgs fan admitting Dundalk are bigger :eek: :pQuote:
Originally Posted by TheBoss
The bottom two on this list are ludicrous for opposite reasonsQuote:
so....in order.........who are the biggest, work down.......
Everton
Man City
Newcastle
Villa
Spurs
Leeds
Chelsea
Sunderland
Chelseas are in a different planet to the mediocre clubs there (regardless of history, wise up FFS)
And what have Sunderland done to earn a place there??
Aston Villa would be my pick out of the remainder as they're the biggest club in Englands second city
Newcastle and Leeds would be ahead of Spurs IMO as they come from one club towns, have large support bases and have tended to compete at the highest level (Leeds recent troubles aside)
But really tbh, once you take Chelsea and Sunderland out of it, they're all much of a mediocre muchness
A lot of sense in what LTID is saying there. There's probably a formula out there to difinitively answer the question that would take account of turnover, capacity, trophies won and trophies competed for etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Everton may have more trophies than anyone else on that list but most of the people who won them are old men now. Newcastle may have the highest capacity ground but haven't actually won anything in decades. Leeds troubles are well known yet I'd speculate that of that lot listed they'd have the highest "non-local" support. (I'll declare a vested interest there ...Leeds supporter). So it's a complex sum to compute.
My bad, thought they had as I thought I had read something about them and Forest having the same amount of European Cups as United. Still think they are bigger than Everton thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by KildareFan
The posters making snide remarks about Everton may be interested to hear that, not only are you correct re Everton in England, but they are also the 4th biggest English club worldwide (bigger than Chelsea, smaller than Man U, Liverpool and Arsenal).Quote:
Originally Posted by KildareFan
Or at least they were 3 seasons ago when a mate of mine did independent research on it whilst he was Everton's Commercial Manager. Since then they'll have consolidated that position - particularly in China, where Everton has a very large fan base. Chelsea do not have a strong international fan-base at all, and the club recognises that as a problem iteself.
Trophes and history do not determine the size of a club, for one simple reason. Clubs fortunes change, but their trophy count and history don't once they're written. A club can have had a glorious history in the past, but that doesn't make them big now, or prevent them from sliding into mediocrity in the future. The opposite is also true - a team can be big now, despite having had a fairly mediocre past (e.g. Chelsea).Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoss
For perspective, Huddersfield Town have won the league as many times as Chelsea, but I doubt anyone here would claim the Yorkshire club are the same size. Other clubs with glorious pasts in terms of trophies and history that would not be considered amonst the biggest now would include Forest, Preston and Huddersfield.
A more sensible measure of how big a team is would be its fan-base at any particular point in time. Therefore - Newcastle, with a big fan-base, one of the largest staiums in the league, and a fairly empty trophy cabinet, are clearly bigger than Wanderers FC or WBA, even though both have won more trophies in the past than the Toon.
Much as I despise Everton, deep down I will always consider Everton to be a big club. The should consistently be a top 6 side in the PL and be challenging for the cups. Man city are also a massive club. You only have to be present on matchday in Manchester city centre to realise this. Out of the group above :Quote:
Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
Everton
Citeh
Spurs
Chelsea
are most definitely big clubs and the table at the end of this season will reflect that.
Newcastle, Villa, Leeds, Sunderland fall into the sleeping giants/clubs with potential category. Sunderland are very poor at the moment and it is only a matter of time before Keane packs his backs and starts laying the blame for the clubs failure at Quinn's/Staff/tea ladies door. As I said before they will go down.
9 League titles, Everton are a big club. They've also spent longer in the top flight than any other team in England I think (though Arsenal have the longest unbroken run).
Chelsea (dislikable or not) are now one of the biggest clubs in the world and even taking their paltry history into account they belong in the same category as Arsenal, Man Ure and Liverpool. The history argument here is an interesting one but if anybody thinks that Burnley or Huddersfield (for example)are bigger clubs than Chelsea they're just plain foolish.
Spurs and Man City have 4 league titles between them. They are spoofers of the highest order and don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Everton or Villa (who at least won the league and European cup in the last 30 years).
Leeds are a big side for sure but their current plight has to be taken into account to say nothing of their incredible all time haul of 3 league titles (I think) and 1 FA Cup compared to Everton's 9 and 5 or Villa's 7 and 7 (no matter how dusty most of them are). Given that Villa and Man City have both experienced third tier football in the not too distant past Leeds fans shouldn't fear they too much. They can aspire to the heady heights of the upper mid table at best someday too.
Newcastle are over reliant on their gates too when they bang out about aspirations to join the big time. They've developed quite the losing mentality over the years.
Sunderland, btw, have no business on this list for the reasons outlined by LTID below. They have no meaningful history, have never even really established themselves as a premiership club (a few years decent showings under Peter Reid the closest they've come) and in effect are just a third rate Newcastle. List should look as follows:
Chelsea
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.
.
big gap
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.
.
Everton
Aston Villa
Newcastle United
Leeds United
Tottenham Hotspur
Manchester City
.
.
.
.
another gap probably filled by a half dozen or so clubs...
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.
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Sunderland.
Leeds
Newcastle
Chelsea
Everton
tottenham
Man City
Aston villa
Sunderland
Leeds
Man City
Chelsea
Tottenham
Everton
Newcastle
Aston villa
Sunderland
Wouldn't it be sensible to agree on the criteria first, before trying to list the clubs in order?
However, it would be open to people bending/inventing criteria to allow their club further up the ladder.
Some criteria have been:
Trophies
Attendance
Any more?
This idea some of you have of Leeds and City being bigger clubs than Everton is frankly laughable !!!
Maybe says more about your age than your knowledge boys!! ;)
After Lpool Man U and Arsenal its a toss of a coin between Everton and Villa and at a push maybe Spurs. Leeds and city are relatively big, but, show me your medals......!!!
Chelski, well right now yes, but over all....debatable.
Oh, see what happened here is we all thought you were talking about the here and now, how silly of usQuote:
Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
So when are you talking about?? 1973? 1947? 2001? 1908?
At a guess I'd say he's talking about the Dixie Dean days but in that case we'll have to factor in Preston North End, Blackpool, Stoke City and a couple of other teams stocked with players called Wilf, Albert, Alf, Wilbert etc...and who fielded goalkeepers who smoked pipes during play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lim till i die
Jolly Good Show :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
No prima-donnas in those days I tell you. Why Wilfred "Gentleman" Jenkins used to work down a mine, play left half and sweep the terraces for 6p a week.
Crippling injuries and serf-like relationships with the club owners, those were the days.
:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
I would suggest that the 3 year old data is now invalid with regard to Chelsea,
given how success attracts "support"
Chelsea
Newcastle
Villa
Spurs
Everton
Leeds
Man City
Sunderland
Chelsea themselves openly acknowledge the limited size of their overseas fan-base at the current time. They've highlighted it as a key growth area in their 5 year plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by KevB76
I have no doubt that Everton picked-up more fans in China in the last 3 years by having Li Tie in their team and a major Chinese sponsor, than Chelsea did in all of Asia combined by winning the league in 2005/6. Chelsea are just not that popular over there.
Interestingly, the premiership game to have received the highest ever viewership in China was not one involving Arsenal, Man U or Chelsea - but Everton v Man City a few seasons back, when both teams had major Chinese players involved at the time (Li Tie and Sun Jihai).
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
So it seems the Sunderland phenomenon is not just an Irish thing :eek:
deal in fact, eh lads?
http://nufc.com/html/attendance-all-time.html
Load of clap trap about Chelsea's lack of history or support....despite a lack of relative sucess when compared to United or Liverpool, Chelsea are a big club. Fifth on the all time attendance list despite never winning f*** all.....
I've never won **** all either , tbh it doesnt sound like that great a prize .Quote:
Originally Posted by OldKentRoad
Everton
Aston villa
Tottenham
Leeds
Newcastle
Man City
Chelsea
Sunderland
Asian/Oriental fans are the most fickle in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by KevB76
They will have numerous allegiances at the same time - some conflicting - and literally change them over-night.....!
Correction - you have won fcuk all...... :D :pQuote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum muthfookas :)