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Not sure if I heard this 100% correctly, just caught the end of the
TodayFM sports report on ther way into work.
Said something about Shane Long was actually suspended for the
Slovakia game he sat on the bench for and this new revelation may
overturn the 2-2 draw in favour of a 3-0 home win.
Also, he pulled out of the Cyprus squad with a mystery injury as he
was actually suspended for that game but they had already named
him in the squad!
I haven't heard anything about this. He did not dress for Reading on the weekend so I'd say he really is injured.
Suspended for what? He only played 2 games for us before the 2-2 game and never got booked.
He was suspended for cards he picked up at underage level.
Well then I presume they're talking about the Slovakia 1-0 game rather than the 2-2 game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eire06
I remember he got a 5 match ban for spitting but how does that work? You could put a case that he's eligible for the U19s, U21s and seniors. Does he have to wait until 5 U19 matches are played before he can play for Ireland again?
I think Stan is gone already regardless of this latest installment of possible muppetry.
His 5 match ban was sometime in 2006 i think after being sent off v Turkey.
If true this would have to relate to the home game v Slovakia. Still very bad news if true and it would be an almighty cockup by somebody.
Hardly Stans fault if it is true. Somebody in FAI admin should have spotted this.
admin ..ffs... always blame the little guyQuote:
Originally Posted by RiffRaff
Its in todays papers aswell about it. a 3-0 result won't be given to Slovakia because Long didn't actually come off the bench but supposedly he was suspended for it and if he made an appearance in the match (the 2-2 draw) the 3 points would have been given to Slovakia. If this turns out to be 100% true it'll be one of the biggest **** ups ever or will have been close to being one of the biggest **** ups ever anyway.
Shane Long did play against Slovakia at home .. nearly scored twice .. or when did the suspension start .. I'm confused at this stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
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Originally Posted by macdermesser
It wasn't the home match it was the 2-2 draw over there as far as i know.....all this is very confusing alright.
Shane Long picked up the 5 match suspension well over a year ago playing for the U19s.
It can only have still applied in March as we played 3 U19 games in May and he'd already served 3 games of the ban in Sept 2006.
The story must relate to the March game. If true it is a monumental cockup by somebody in the FAI. This is unlikely to be Staunton's fault unless he missed a fax.
Its a bit mad that it has only come up now.
Hello 5th seed for the world cup should we lose to wales. Can things get any worse?
I dont think the FIFA Rankings work like that "as I say"
think we almost guaranteed 3rd seed status at this stageQuote:
Originally Posted by as_i_say
yeah you're right. got a fright there. still how could we be guaranteed 3rd seed if we finish 5th-surely a 5th place finish will see us plummet down the rankings though.
The rankings are based on the FIFA rankings not on your group position. You really shouldn't believe everything a certain muppet says in postmatch interviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by as_i_say
If Slovakia are awarded a 3-0 win then I assume this will retrospectively be represented in the rankings also. We could well slip to 4th seeds as the rankings are quite volatile.
He wont be Tuff they are sacking him tomorrow. Ding Dong the Witch is Dead.
where does the buck end again? This could work its way all the way up to Mr. Delaney ..
According to the Sindo yesterday the FAI can afford a top manager as it is currently in a good financial position, thanks mainly to the work of delaney.Quote:
Originally Posted by macdermesser
However, the Sun or the people (cant remember which) went with the headline that the fai cant afford to sack stan as it is struggling to make its contribution to the LR project.
Make of both headlines what you will........
Just to clarify this for people.
The ban was for 5 games after he was sent off at U19 level. Long served a one game ban at U19 level then three games of the ban when at U21 level. When promoted to the senior squad he had two games to serve.
Bans coming from underage level apply to the level the player is eligible for or if a game at a higher level (senior squad in this case) takes place within 24 hours of a game at that level.
This means that Long was only suspended for the two senior games that took place within 24 hours of an U21 competitive game which were the Slovakia in September (where he was on the bench) and last Wednesday against Cyprus (when he withdrew with an "injury").
Bloody confusing but still no excuse for people not being aware of it in the FAI
Apparantly he was given a 1 match U19 ban and a 4 match U21 ban (because he would have been too old for the U19s). He wasn't actually banned for any senior games but according the rules "a player serving a suspension at one level cannot represent his country at another level within 24 hours". That's according to The Star.
makey-up “journalism” again. the FAI will be about 50% towards raising its contribution of €60m by the end of this yearQuote:
Originally Posted by elroy
the real truth is they cant afford to not sack stan as the empty seats at our upcoming spring friendlys, should he still be in charge, would be a far bigger loss alone. a new manager would easily add the cost of paying stan off (rumoured to be €500k) onto the gate for our next home match
I don't know the figures in relation to their contribution of €60m but it sounds right that more than €500k would be lost if Stan is still in charge. That's about 10,000 normal tickets and a new manager* would easily attract 10,000 more punters to the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
Must have mis-heard, Ash, 'cos there's nothing on the internet anywhere that I can find.
Obviously not Staunton's fault if it is true.
Could you imagine some poor fecker trying to explain all that to Staunton :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by charliesboots
It's very true. Not the first time it's happened with FAI administration as we we played a suspended Liam Miller in an U21 game back in 2003.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I'm with Stan, I don't understand the fuss. The home game against Slovakia was our 5th or 6th game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint
He was sent off in May 2006 ?
Surely there have been enough u21 and senior games to cover the suspension since that time?
Do you know the expected outcome soccerc? Are we going to get away with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by soccerc
I suspect there will be a little spin absolving the current administration from any wrongdoing ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
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Originally Posted by soccerc
Naturally Fran Rooney was responsible. ;)
I'm just wondering if we'll escape having results reversed and points deductions. It could affect our world rankings and seedings for WC 2010.
According to Irish Times this morning we have got a fine and Long suspended for next 3 senior games. UEFA spokesman said there had been some confusion. Sounds like an admission that it wasn't only the FAI's fault.
Pretty much what it says here: http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...s-1202460.html
Sad state of affairs when the FAI make UEFA look incompetent!Quote:
On reflection, UEFA has confirmed that they recognise how the FAI came to the conclusion they did because of the content of the correspondence received from UEFA.
So I guess the logic of UEFA's rule is that Long was suspended for 5 underage games and we can't all of a sudden say he is a senior international and work off his suspension in the senior games.
And that explains how he was allowed to play in the home game against Slovakia because there was no u21 game in the 24 hour period.
3 match suspension .. that's pretty harsh on Long who is hardly to blame here. FAI should get a hefty fine and that be the end of the matter. Hope the ban includes friendlies .. as come next campaign, Long might be the main man up frontQuote:
Originally Posted by Dotsy
In the IT "The Football Association of Ireland has been fined and Shane Long suspended for an extra game"Quote:
Originally Posted by macdermesser
So obviously he has to do his original suspension properly to the full and one game on top of that.
Then shouldn't the suspension follow the u21 games.
He should be eligible when the u21's are not playing?
Can somebody with a sub please post the IT article?Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
It's possible that it is different in different editions too.
An extra game would be ok as we play Wales 24 hours after the U21 game in Montenegro. 3 would be very harsh and rule him out of 2 WC qualifiers.
He would be suspended for the Wales Game if it is the day after the u21 game, no question.
Long to pay for FAI's error
Emmet Malone
News : The Football Association of Ireland has been fined and Shane Long suspended for an extra game as a result of an administrative error that led to the Reading striker being named as a substitute for the European Championship qualifier in Slovakia when he was actually suspended for the game.
The 20 year-old didn't come on in the match which Ireland drew 2-2 but that appears to have been more a matter of luck than design with Steve Staunton and the FAI only discovering afterwards he should not have been included in the squad for the game.
Suspended players are prohibited from being on the bench and his presence there might have cost Ireland a points deduction but Uefa has apparently accepted the situation was not made clear to the FAI. At its September 20th meeting the federation's disciplinary committee, of which FAI chief executive John Delaney is a member, settled for the imposition of an undisclosed fine and extension of the player's ban instead.
Long's case is a rather complicated one as the five-match suspension was imposed as a result of his sending off and reaction to it during a competitive under-19 game early last year. He served the first part of the ban within a number of days but the manner in which the rest was to be accounted for was affected by his graduations to the Irish under-21 squad, then to the seniors.
Players suspended at one level cannot play for their country at another level in the 24 hours either side of a competitive game played by the team from which they are suspended. As the striker's ban automatically followed him to under-21 level, this means Long was free to play for the senior international team provided the under-21s did have a competitive game within a day of the game, as they did the night before the match in Slovakia when the under-21s played Portugal in Cork.
The FAI insisted yesterday it had sought clarification with regard to the matter and acted on the basis of the information received.
"When Shane Long was first called into the squad for the Euro 2008 qualifier against San Marino last February," said an FAI spokesman yesterday, "the FAI checked his eligibility with Uefa and was assured he was free to play at senior level as his suspension only applied to underage games.
"Once the association became aware after the game in Slovakia there was a problem with the player's eligibility for certain matches it immediately contacted Uefa for clarification."
A spokesman for Uefa yesterday conceded there had been some confusion but Long will be out for the game against Wales in Cardiff and two future senior games.